Led By Donkeys.

If Labour want to win the next elections they need to beg these guys to do comms.

Be interesting as the bill comes up that ends our rights to paid holiday, maternity and paternity pay and all other employment protections from December 2023 if Labour actually oppose this.

 

That twitter account is incredibly offensive to donkeys.

 

We have to take into consideration that the EU is changing - it's not 'fixed' politically.
In many EU countries the Far Right is growing in power - Spain, Holland. France. Netherlands, Germany, Italy.
We have to consider that President Orban of Hungary is/was a Putin ally - that the Polish Government has a policy to make Poland 'gay-free.' (before the invasion of Ukraine Poland was heading out of the EU.)

Huge failures occurred as a result of Brexit but before pushing for re-entry into the EU we have to take into account of what is going on in those countries we seek to align ourselves with and ask ourselves do we want to be part of what is rapidly becoming a right wing/nationalist E.U.

 

Well thank goodness we have avoided becoming a right wing nationalist country! Fan my brow!

 

Did you miss the memo other than Hungary we are as far right as it comes.

Once the bill goes through to remove all workers rights Brexit will have succeeded as that was clearly the end game. Short the pound make billions. Avoid tax clampdowns. Remove workers rights. Job done.

 

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/2022...l-unison-gives-expert-evidence-in-parliament/

 

That’s very scary, how can anyone, except employers with the aforementioned ‘deep pockets’ want anything to do with this? It is almost beyond belief that there are people of this country who will just shrug their shoulders and still defend the likes of Rees- Mogg as they send us hurtling back in time to the 19th Century

 

To be fair I think the tory/Brexit voters on here have fallen back from trying to justify their vote to "but all politicians are the same" whataboutery. It's still a load of crap but at least now there's a glimmer of recognition that they've ****** the country.

 

I’m not fan of Brexit, but you can’t deny that the rest of Europe is also hurtling towards the far right.

 

it was so obvious that in the hands of the tories that this is what Brexit would mean.

 

Maybe if the remainer’s had shouted something instead of the racist slurs to people that did not understand the potential pitfalls, then we would not be in this mess. Then again, there is ample people who are loving this hardship just they can say “ I told you so”
Barnsley was a perfect setting for remainers to argue the benefits we as a town received from the EU. It simply didn’t happen

 

I agree, ..... but the same thing could happen in EU member countries if the increasingly Right-wing/Nationalist EU passed laws/rules which challenge worker rights, maternity/paternity rights etc. (see message #1)
The point I'm making is that being in the changing EU would not necessarily protect the things both you and I feel are important.

 

Well if they were too thick to read the writing on the wall that’s on them. People need to take responsibility for their actions so whilst I would never enjoy anyone getting poorer or having their rights removed those that supported Brexit are responsible

 

I’m not a massive fan of the EU but it was and is very easy to see that it was only the small protection of being part of the EU that protected us from the tories. Now that’s gone. And our employment rights will be gone by this time next year. So blindingly obvious.

 

Tories are, and always have been, cnuts. The EU wasn't utopia but they weren't cnuts.

 

OK - you grandstanding ??

 

It was all explained in detail. Don’t you remember calling it ‘Project Fear’ every time anything was said that you didn’t like?

 

I think if you look back over the years on here you'll find my views (while not always popular) are always my own.

 

Thing is, no-one is pushing for a rejoin campaign. Starmer (I think rightly) judges that the tide of opinion has not changed sufficiently for this to be anything other than another hugely divisive episode. When the empire dissolved we had a choice as to whether to align more closely with America or Europe. Kennedy encouraged us to push to join the emerging Common Market. But it took from the late 50's (MacMillan) until 1973 to get it over the line. Starmer doesn't have that much time or political capital. So it's a non-issue, although the Tories will push hard to suggest that there is a secret Labour plot to sneak us back in.

Second best would be to rejoin the single market and/or customs union. But that would also risk the Tory jibes going into an election, even though the case for it is unarguable. So we will be left with closer ties if Starmer gets in, and a better relationship going forward. That will be an improvement, and the idiocy of brexit will hopefully fade. But even more turmoil awaits us from the fallout should China invade Taiwan. Not necessarily easy for them to do - even with their military might - but such a conflict has the potential to dwarf the fallout from Russia v Ukraine.

 

I voted remain, but given the close result and lack of consensus around what ‘Brexit’ actually meant, a ‘soft’ Brexit was the obvious answer. This would have allowed us to leave the political institution, but keep many of the benefits - as the Leave campaign promised. It’s also the option that got most support in the Commons, although not a majority.

However, I don’t think rejoining is a viable option - not for at least a decade or so. Firstly, we wouldn’t get anywhere near as good as the deal we had previously, and secondly it would tear the country apart and allow the Tories to rally around a Brexit betrayal narrative.

I’d expect a Labour government to be extremely cautious, and do little more than tinker around the edges in a first term.