Capital punishment

They probably should drop the old one altogether from the book then. The genocide doesn't age well!

 

These debates are a bit more reasoned than they used to be on this board..
Of course, there’s always going to be the odd nutter against being publicly hung, drawn & quartered..

 

Different burdens of proof.

 

You absolutely do not have more chance of winning the euromillions twice on the spin than being wrongfully convicted for murder.

 

I support capital punishment in instances of particularly heinous crimes and when the defendant is obviously guilty.

I'd like to ask whether anyone would agree with the death penalty for Adolf Eichmann? He wasn't executed as part of the Nuremberg trials. If my memory serves me right, he was captured and executed by the Israelis. I have no problem seeing folk like that executed. It's difficult to defend otherwise. Sutcliffe, Shipman etc, do what you want them for me.

 

The 3 ive mentioned there is no doubt they are guilty. Youwould hope you can trust police to gather evidence on a serious murder case etc but that said they let Saville go untouched all those years and if it was a big stash of cash they found you could bet a few quid would go missing from the evidence bag.

 

"There were six men in Birmingham
In Guildford there's four
That were picked up and tortured
And framed by the law
And the filth got promotion
But they're still doing time
For being Irish in the wrong place and at the wrong time"
- The Pogues "Birmingham Six"

All 10 of those would have been executed if the death penalty existed. All we later exonerated by the courts - after serving many, many years in prison...

 

There are no murders in the USA with the death penalty obviously...

 

Would you prefer to die instantly or spend the next 4 or so decades in prison with zero chance of being released?

 

What does "obviously guilty" mean? How would that work in practice?

 

If I saw someone commit murder in front of my very eyes I still wouldn't want the death penalty. Life in prison, yes, death no. I don't think any society can consider itself advanced or even moving in the right direction if it resorts to killing people. A life sentence, provided that's what it is, protects society from the criminal. As has been said the death penalty is nothing more than revenge. Plus there is absolutely no evidence I'm aware of that prives capital punishment is actually a deterrent.

 

I dont vote on anything, however i would vote NO, can we honestly trust the Police. I dont think so, for one minute.

 

In a population of 350million where guns are freely available you will always get some murders. Plus I think most states have now outlawed the death penalty.
Drug misuse in thialand and the middle east is alot less with the death penalty as a deterrent in comparison with England were I think there's a big problem.

 

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

I think you'll see most countries in the upper part of the list have the death penalty. The USA has 3 times the homicides per head of population we do. Iran & Russia also far higher, despite draconian laws. Some of the countries on the list are unstable, but the 3 I've mentioned you would have expected lower homicide rates if your argument was valid. In terms of drug use rehabilitation should be the answer to addiction, as opposed to the death penalty, but I'm just a sad, soft, woke old *******. In Iran Gazza would have been hung for being an alcoholic...

 

27 States have the death penalty - although only 20 of those can still carry them out.

Portugal has one of the lowest rates of drug deaths in Europe - despite it being decriminalized - and 1/2 that of Thailand .

The problem with drugs is not the drugs - or at least that is a social/health issue not a crime issue - but being illegal gives the "opportunity" for people to make money out of it. If the government imported drugs (by the kilotonne) and distributed for no profit we would likely see drugs related crimes fall significantly.

Edit: RIP to Ian and Joe who both died from overdoses.

 

You’ve more chance of winning the lottery, than proving courts of justice are incorruptible..

 

I'm probably in a minority here, but I'm old enough to actually know somebody who was hanged. (1950s) He lived on our street in Kendray. He allegedly killed his girlfriend. He wasn't the brightest of lads, to say the least. I think of him every time this debate is raised. It made a massive impression on me as a kid. The cold-blooded handing over of the hanging to a professional hangman is barbaric. If you support it, would you do the job? I've been in a condemned cell on a prison visit and seen the equipment and how it works. It's awful. Let it be history. Life imprisonment is bad enough, and at least allows for a pardon if other evidence is forthcoming.

 

Do you honestly think some of the smugglers in Thailand snd elsewhere have not had serious threats made to them or their families ?