Back to the championship

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  1. arp

    arpete Well-Known Member

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    Imagine that we got back into the championship by the playoffs. Do the fans believe the club would invest the extra funds gained into building a team to keep us there and then even further up the table the following year. Or would we do what we did under Hecky and Stendel and sell our better players and /or head coach culminating in yet another other return to league1? Can you guess what I think would happen?
     
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    We wouldn't instantly have loads of cash to build a championship team, despite promotion.

    It would require a couple of years of survival/consolidation in the championship before we were at that stage I would imagine.
     
  3. Gimson&theBarnsleys

    Gimson&theBarnsleys Well-Known Member

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    We'd have stayed up last season if they'd have appointed a decent head coach instead of going for the (ultra) cheap option; twice.
     
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    Yeah I reckon we've enough to go up automatic if we're good enough. Squad has found it's feet and we have a great Head Coach. We've Plymouth, Sheff Wed and Ipswich all to play at home we've seen some tough fixtures postponed that I believe we're better placed to compete in now. If it's meant to be it'll happen.
     
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    I think we'll largely struggle in the Champ, until something drastic happens to change the way that success is financed. It's just not a level playing field. This genuinely isn't a 'current board' problem either, IMO. Look at the data. With the exception of the odd season, over the last 20-odd years we've towed like fk in the Championship. The gulf just keeps getting bigger, and for northern monkeys like us, things like the COL crisis make it bigger still.

    At one time I think we could say 2nd tier was our rightful home. I just honestly don't think we can anymore. If we get promoted, it'll be another mammoth task to cling on. We already know this. Not because the board is rubbish, or doesn't care, or are trying to asset strip, or the coach is $hit. It'll be because we just can't compete with Clubs paying millions in transfers and 15/20/30k a week in wages.

    Harsh reality to grasp, and I get people will say 'so what about Luton etc'. And we will always have the odd season where we overachieve and do ok in the Championship. That's different to saying we're a consistently competitive Championship Club though, for me.
     
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    Thank goodness for the Premier League. It's quite depressing.
     
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    No i dont think the investment needed to strengthen the squad would be injected, we'd need 6 maybe 7 players and where would the money come from. Stay where we are continue doing what Duff is building, Barnsley was'nt built in a day, and neither was Rome, C,O,Y,R,
     
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    Sadly think the days of being a consistent championship club are gone. we now look more likely to
    yo yo between league 1 and the championship unless we get lucky with a group of players who are better quality and we hang on to them..but as others have said we are a selling club
    who would cash in..
     
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    Perhaps if the supporters felt the club would invest funds put into the team, then more would come back to Oakwell. Good news today about Collins, Mads and Jordan Williams and hope they get us back to the championship. You can but hope
     
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    Sadly. I think that all our better players would be picked off just like after the last 2 promotions. :(
     
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    When you say "invest funds", do you mean just chuck millions in as loans? How would we pay them back?
     
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    The premise of the OP is surely a joke?
    Neither option bears any relationship to reality.
    The immediate cash benefit from being in the championship would just about stop us making a loss with the current squad and gate receipts.
     
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    To be fair hecky didn't have his squad sold upon promotion. He had players sold in January who wanted to leave and had 6 months left on their contracts so would have gone for nothing come the summer.

    He was able to sign Tom.bradshaw for a reported 850k George moncur 550k and andy yiadom on a free if i remember right?
     
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    But what does 'invest funds' mean? To make any kind of meaningful difference it would have to be in the millions. Found this article, which shows clubs bottom line P/L from last year. With the exception of Blades, Huddersfield and Bournemouth - who had either big transfers and/or PL parachute money to cushion the blow - every other team made a loss.

    Even if we did find someone to bankroll us, it would be through loans, which we would then inevitably struggle to pay back. Fast track to admin. I reckon we're probably about 2-3000 down on average attendances from Championship, which isn't the huge exodus people predicted. Probably about £1m a year. So anything more than £1m spent to get those fans back, is probably actually costing the Club money.

    https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/how-stoke-citys-54m-losses-6926486

    We all live to our means in life. I never really get why people expect the Club not to.
     
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    In fairness most on here who comment don't expect us to spend stupidly and wreck the club. the average attendance in this league looks around 10k and in the championship seems to be around 12k. we do appear to be a big club in this league which if run and managed correctly will challenge at the top end most seasons hence my comment on being a yo yo club..cant see owt changing that in the foreseeable...but as we saw under Val it can happen.
     
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    I think that season under Val was years in the making. Years spent recruiting players suited to a high pressing game, getting the back room staff in place that can support it and then Val was the right coach at the right time. All funded by money in the bank from the Crynes/Stones sell on etc which allowed us to keep such a strong squad last time in league 1, and then helped by a points deduction to stay up.

    Then, inexplicably, the club threw it all away. Lost or let go of the CEO, club secretary, coach, assistant coach, head physio, head sports scientist, captain and vice captain and many more. And decided to bring a coach in to change the style of play. And now we are where we are, league 1, skint and facing significant operating losses.

    I can’t see how we can get back to a season like the Val season without the board spending a lot of their own money over a number of years. And while the board is reshuffled, the ownership group is largely the same and I’m not keen on the club owing them much money.
     
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    With reference to club income, aren't you ignoring the big difference in TV money? The main difference in club income in the two divisions is the £6 million or so extra which we get from Sky when we are in the Championship.
     
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    If we go up we almost certainly invest little and come back down. We have virtually no one left worth selling other than perhaps Mads and Williams so can’t even sell to buy.
     
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    Agreed. It’s all a bit grim….

    The saving grace is we have an excellent manager
     
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