Shamima Begum

There's a podcast about all this on BBC sounds , there's a lot more to this than you may think ....and for the record I would t have her back

 

She's British ... so, I don't really see what the argument is.

 

She’s lost her Appeal according to BBC news

 

She was stripped of her British citizenship.

 

You can't be rendered stateless though, so in reality she is British.

 

Wrong decision but unsurprising. We know what side of the political spectrum the courts and judges generally sit.

Whether it was right or wrong, it seemed unlikely they’d rule against them.

 

If she was born here, I don't really understand how that is possible.

 

She was only 15 didn't know what she was doing... Not guilty.

Can we have the trail live on itv with judge rinder taking court?

Still a danger fine where she is...

 

I think the belief was that she could potentially obtain Bangladeshi citizenship via one of her Bangladeshi parents, but had never done this. I may be wrong...

 

Not getting into the rights and wrong of this specific case but given people can voluntarily renounce citizenship even of their country of birth* I can't see why it cannot be taken away in certain circumstances.

* Some countries do not allow dual citizenship so a person wanting to live there with citizenship may have to give up their existing one.

 

Court of Appeal and Supreme Court still to come, I suspect.

 

Bangladeshi govt have already said she’s not welcome there. Just had a thought, she’s currently being held in a ‘camp’ in NE Syria which is not run by any govt but a ‘ rebel group’ They could release her and all others in the camp. She could then find her way back illegally and try to claim Asylum ( though it would be difficult to state who she is fleeing from, and why) However, she would be back on theses shores until a decision is made. Where would the send her then?

 

She doesn't hold any citizenship though, that is the issue. As I've said, you shouldn't be rendering someone stateless.

If they are Hitler incarnate, you still shouldn't be doing it. Have them face whatever charges and see justice. We aren't a third world country and shouldn't be behaving like one.

 

Oh fck, not this again. I’d rather watch cricket…

 

There needs to be an Ayatollah that trumps everything else. These things drag on and on.

 

So Bangladesh don't want her so we have got to have her... great

 

She never had Bangladeshi citizenship. Javed’s argument was she had it by right due to descending from Bangladeshi born parents, despite only ever being British.

Bangladesh have refused her entry to the country as she has never been a Bangladeshi citizen.

So she was left stateless but ‘legally’ on a technicality.

I really don’t see the argument. Is she really more of a threat in the U.K., where she’d be tried and imprisoned, then constantly monitored if and when released; than in Syria, where she may be recruited back into terrorist organisations at any point?

Anyway, decision is made. I doubt it’s the last we will hear of it though.

I bet my mortgage the white guy selling secrets to Russia, David Smith, isn’t stripped of citizenship. He has current evidence showing him to hate the U.K. and the west generally.

Nor Sherafiyah Lewthwaite, aka Samantha. She continues to be wanted and has been linked to terrorist actions well after the death of her suicide bombing husband. Apparently hiding out in a remote area of Africa. She is on a most wanted list. Is an ongoing threat.

Yet she hasn’t had British citizenship removed; she was born in Northern Ireland too so has a birth right to Irish citizenship so she wouldn’t be left stateless if she was. The same legal argument to strip Begum could easily be used here. I wonder why they haven’t? Oh by the way, she’s white and her dad was in the army. I’m not asking for her to be brought back and forgiven. There is not one single argument that this woman should be anywhere near this country. She is a definite and confirmed security risk. Yet she’s still British - when she, by their logic, doesn’t need to be using the argument they used against an Asian background girl who was groomed as a child.

Pure hypocrisy.

 

Correct, the only way to go, she is British born, she is our responsibility, she was groomed no doubt about it, what if she was white British. Bring her back and lock her up until she is no longer classed as dangerous.