Starmer v Corbyn

Are there any "traditional labour voters" under the age of about 60?

To be a bit more specific, I'm in my late 30s and hang out with people who I think would generally gravitate towards Labour. Almost everybody I know refused to vote for Brown - quite a few went for Clegg (and later regretted it, for obvious reasons). Miliband got a few back grudgingly but absolutely everybody was up for 2017 under Corbyn. 2019 felt like a defeat from the beginning, so I'm not sure anybody was bothered.

I just don't think Labour have a base in the same way that the tories do. Maybe doing the Mandelson shuffle again will help them work that out, but I suspect they'll find people a lot less gullible this time round.

 

Steve McCabe. Admittedly nowhere near the worst that they have to offer, but still not anywhere near somebody I'm willing to come out for.

 

As pointed out in the media today, if Jezza stands as an Independent he will be expelled from the Labour Party - not just the whip. Eddie Izzard as the Labour candidate would make for an interesting contest!

 

Interesting maybe, but Corbyn would win easily.

Look at Izzard's standing to replace Paul Blomfield in Sheff. I was actually quite surprised by how poor Izzard's showing was when it became obvious she wasn't going to win (Abti Mohamed had been the obvious choice for that seat as a hard working and widely appreciated councillor for some time). One thing that really struck me was her not responding to 'Now Then', a Sheff-based magazine (free) about what's going on in the city. The other three candidates all gave answers around who they were and what platforms they were standing on, but Izzard's section just had a 'was asked to comment but did not respond'.

People value familiarity, and as much as she is famous and invested in Labour, she hasn't consistently and competently (opinions on time as LOTO excepted) been the MP for Islington North for the last 40(!) years.

Just looking at the maths, too, by my reckoning on the 2019 results it would have taken full turnout (71.9% in 2019) and everyone who didn't vote going Lib Dem (2nd place), plus everyone who voted for a non-Tory (3rd place) party joining them for him to lose his majority.

You're obviously not a fan of his, and I'd agree his time as LOTO was questionable (albeit stoked by both sides), but you can't deny he's a popular MP.

 

Last time Labour was in power he voted against the whip around 450 times much more than any other, makes you wonder if the thought process to remove him is more about that, than holding the seat.
Which is a bit flawed as personally I think he would win if he was independent.

 

Good post, however, I seem to recall that Corbyn's labour voted for a general election in 2019 as well as the Lib Dems. Otherwise we wouldn't have had one, and as you rightly say, the Tories would have torn themselves apart and we wouldn't have had the Hard Brexit oven ready deal that is causing our economy to tank. Who knows, we might never have actually left the EU, we might have had a second referendum.

 

They were put in a position where they didn’t have much choice. The stupid pillock in charge of the Lib Dem’s seriously thought she could win the election. As soon as she went for it the Tory’s had the votes to call it. The SNP then dived in, because they wanted to increase their seats to try to force another independence referendum. And Labour had no choice. An opposition party who votes against a GE would be crucified. They wouldn’t have set the wheels in motion though, and I don’t think the SNP would either, because the longer it went on, the more damage the Tories were inflicting upon themselves. Had the Lib Dem’s not had the visions of grandeur we could have seen the Tories split in two, another vote on leaving the EU, which Remain would have comfortably won, and a Corbyn government.

So yes, it was the Lib Dems, the party that were standing for reversing Brexit, who caused it to happen and gave the Tories the mandate to cause all this mess. After that and the coalition, I’m surprised any Labour voter would even consider voting for them. A vote for them, apart from in the West Country and one or two other seats, is pretty much a vote for this government.

Labour are not making all the right noises at the moment, and some of their recent actions have been pretty shocking, but to say they are the same as this current government is ridiculous. Starmer has had to watch what he does and says, because he doesn’t want to do anything that will stop him winning the seats he needs to win. This means pissing off some traditional Labour supporters. Standing on picket lines, having a pop at Brexit, allowing Corbyn back in, etc would all give the government and media ammunition. My view is to get the Tories out and let’s see what Labour do then, and if they continue to do things we don’t like we let them sodding know. The Tories have been pretty good at getting rid of Prime Ministers. It would be nice if Andy Burnham could be persuaded to stand at the next election.

There are only two outcomes at the next election - the Tories win or Labour win. Voting against the latter helps the former. If this government get back in they won’t stop until employees no longer have any rights, the NHS is gone forever…the list goes on. They have to be voted out and only Labour can beat them.

 

Think starmers p1ss1ng off more than traditional labour voters....the man is going to end up with egg on his face....his down fall will come about by continuing to hound JC....the Tories just need to sit back and watch the Labour Party implode....if he expels JC, I can see a vote of no confidence being brought against him by certain members of the party ....theres under tones of unrest taking place already in more than one quarter ...from what I can gather....
In my opinion ...
Starmers just another Tory with a red tie on, another yes man to the elite... A weather vane type of politician....hes more faces than the town hall clock ....I don't like him at all

 

Thanks for that post-it took a while. I dont agree with all of it but you deserve some credit there.

 

It's quite simple Corbyn couldn't beat May after she and her campaign imploded he then couldn't beat Bojo the lying clown in general elections something anybody with any political intelligence knew would be the outcome before a vote was cast. He is a man with an ego as big as trump's and wouldn't accept that he'd allowed labour to become anti Jewish not anti Israel but anti Jewish despite many Jewish labour members telling him of their experiences at the hands of his supporters. He couldn't accept that the British Electorate would never vote for him to be PM and so condemned us all to more Tory rule. If he stands against labour at the next general election it will just show what many of the country already know Jeremy Corbyn is interested in just one thing Jeremy Çorbyn.