The other H Kane..

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  1. ley

    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure that's true though. Football seems to have become like cricket, where you have to appeal to have a decision, in the form of going to ground.

    If refs gave penalties / red cards when the impeded player stays on his feet, there'd be less players falling to the floor.
     
  2. Redarmy87

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    In this case, if you raise an hand to another's face, regardless of whether the target goes to ground or not, you're getting sent off. VAR ensures that.
     
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    I’d much rather the kids up and down the country see and copy Harry Kane’s reaction rather than the Everton player’s hand in the face.

    If Kane was as you say, cheating. Then VAR would’ve overturned it and punished him. I do also think he’s gone down easy, but the lad has been hit in the face.
     
  4. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Kane should have had a second yellow for simulation. It was a sending off for the Everton lad all day every day but Kane should have joined him. A complete embarrassment
     
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    On yer tyke Well-Known Member

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    Yes he is the perfect example.

    Thought by his club to not be good enough, loaned out to numerous clubs in the lower divisions. If it wasn’t for Tim Sherwood he would’ve been sold to a championship club and probably ended up like numerous other prospects in the past.

    Instead he came back to his club, scored a few goals became a “1season wonder”. Got called up to the England squad when media outlets battered him for not being good enough and scored on his debut after like a minute.

    In the 8 years he’s been an England player he’s become the top scorer, captain and had a golden boot whilst people still don’t think he’s good enough and only scores penalties against Luxembourg.

    For Tottenham he’s never had a season where he’s not scored 20+ goals, yet he’s still battered by media outlets and randoms on social media for not winning trophies. But still delivers season in season out.

    So to answer your question, yes I’d love my kids to be like Harry Kane. Never quit and strive to achieve your dreams. The lads been hit in the face and gone down. Now called a cheat and shithouse. Now I’d fully understand if he’d dove or clearly cheated like Ronaldo used to do or numerous other premier league footballers. But it’s Kane, people want to see him fail still after all these years.
     
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  6. Shy Talk

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    Fair enough. We'll agree to differ.
     
  7. AthersleyRed

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    We need to start doing that in the Championship
     
  8. Redarmy87

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    Simulation is a very hard thing to prove. What about goalkeepers that simulate tapping mud off their boots on the goalpost, or pretending to tie shoelaces etc. Most players would be booked every game for some kind of simulation. I can forgive Kane, it's out of character and he did get caught in the face. Much more comical are those players who get caught on the arm and go down clutching their head.
     
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    Makes me chuckle people saying he’s cheated.
    He hasn’t cheated he’s over reacted/exaggerated.

    Not a great look, certainly not what I would want from a player of mine but it’s not cheating.
     
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    Agreed about the last bit and I like Harry but the simulation last night was clear and obvious and deserved a yellow. It was pointless given the Everton lad was going anyway he didn’t have to cheat to make it happen.
     
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    He s practicing for his move abroad
     
  12. Ton

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    There was a time when footballers went out of their way to show the offender that they weren’t hurt, no matter how hurt they were. Sent the message that they couldn’t be hurt. Made fouling defenders think twice.
    Long time ago though, I grant you!
     
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    I can see Kane got hit in the face. Plain as day. And the player who hit him was rightly sent off.

    But I can't tell if Kane was hurt. I have eyes to see the smack in the face but I don't have a sense that detects his pain. I can't smell his pain. Maybe it didn't hurt. But maybe it hurt a hell of a lot. Maybe he got caught in the eye, or right on the end of his nose. His head certainly got knocked back a fair bit so the force he was hit with wasn't nothing. Fact is, I don't know, and I'd suggest no one other than Kane does either.

    Simulation is pretending you've been hit or kicked or tripped when you haven't, or maybe pretending you were hit in the face when you were hit in the leg, we're looking at you Rivaldo. Kane got hit in the face and held is face and no one is qualified to say how much that hurt him.
     
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    Couple of definitions of 'cheat' here, that I personally think reflect accurately what Harry Kane did: -

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cheat

    1. to behave in a dishonest way in order to get what you want
    2. to act in a way that is dishonest, or to make someone believe something that is not true in order to get something for yourself
     
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    The problem with both those examples is he wasn’t dishonest or make the ref believe anything.
    There’s no doubt the player raised his hands and touched his face, the issue is he exaggerated the effect.
    Jay in his post above explains it much better.
     
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    The game's full of this sort of bullpoo but as others have said, it's an impossible job for the officials to say for sure what's playacting and what's not. I've noticed that our H Kane tends to drop to the ground at the slightest touch from a defender too. Can't imagine Norman Hunter behaving like that and he played mostly for the biggest set of cheats in 70s football...
     
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    I don't agree with jay's take on it either like. guess we just agree to disagree. based on what I've seen of the actual physical contact, it feels incredibly unlikely to me that his reaction is due to any pain suffered. he gets more physical contact than that 100 times a game, and doesn't react in that way. the difference being, those other contacts aren't 'violent conduct' by the laws of the game. I don't think that's a coincidence. for me, Harry Kane instantly knows the player's action could warrant a red. IMO his reaction is purely to exaggerate the act, to make sure he gets sent off. even you said that. that to me is 'behaving in a dishonest way in order to get what you want'. the very definition of cheating.
     
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    I see him turning into the new Alan Shearer and that’s not a compliment! I would certainly have given him two yellow cards for his actions leading up to the push in the face, which was a reaction to what he’d just done.
    Glad Everton managed to save a point following the red card and what a goal it was !
    BTW, the other red card was correctly given too!
     
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    He's an unbelievable footballer & from what you see a brilliant person too.

    Footballer in exaggerated reaction shock, eh. Plenty applauded Reds players who have done same.
     
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    He was so badly hurt that the physios didn't attend to him, not one of his teammates went over to check on him, and as soon as the hullabaloo was over he was back on his feet and a minute later took and scored a penalty.
    The referee should have called his bluff and made him leave the field for a mandatory concussion assessment
     

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