Local Elections.

Crikey!
Do you work for the Tories? Because if not you are going a fine impression.

 

Why would they launch a leadership challenge? People on the left of the party aren’t like those in the centre, they actually want to get the Tories out & not just control the party.

Most just want the Labour Party to be better.

 

Yes I definitely work for the tories because I want Labour to be a democratic socialist party. As it stands I see little difference so will definitely campaign and vote for parties other than Tory A & B

Handy tip. Their are loads of political parties. The only way a voter enables one is by publicly speaking for them or voting for them. As a Green voter I could say that by failing to vote Green means you support the tories. It isn’t a binary choice.

The sooner we get away from blue team red team playground politics the better. It has hollowed this country out and destroyed it.

 

keep up. They’ve all been expelled.

 

Yer man Burgon is still there. There'd be plenty of comedy value in that?

 

It's pretty standard that an electable Labour party gets attacked with higher frequency and vitriol by the far left than it does by the Conservatives.

If the far left can't have the philosophical purity that they demand, which would result in permanent opposition, then they'd prefer to sustain the Tories in power indefinitely. In fairness, they're doing a better job than Greg Hands in trying to apply a negative spin for Labour to the local election results.

Socialist Labour (led by Scargill) was the vehicle for this in the early Blair years, which failed to trouble the ballot box on a regular basis. However, at least they dared to split off and form a separate party to voice their opposition. Nowadays, the remaining Corbyn fanatics just continually 'threaten' to do so. There are a few spin-off parties, such as the whippet-branded NIP, that have failed to gain any traction and Corbyn continues to grift via his Peace & Justice Project, which is a limited company of which he's a director and majority shareholder, that hasn't formed itself into a political party, and seems just to be a vehicle for people to donate to for whatever reason.

It's no surprise to see that the myriad of links posted by JV come from the usual sources of crank-left Corbynite twitter such as Rachael Swindon, Saul Staniforth, etc that are increasingly shouting into an empty room these days. Swindon in particular is a known Twitter grifter in the Corbynista ranks.

Ultimately people are free to vote for whoever they wish, and the next GE will undoubtedly see a great deal of tactical voting to unseat as many Tories as possible. Ironically, the faction that likes to shout loudest about how much they're anti-Tory are the ones who are most likely to cast anti-Labour votes. Thankfully, they're a dwindling number, with many of those who aligned with, and voted for, Corbyn adopting the more practical stance shown by Dyson and Whitey in the thread.

In the meantime, there's a refreshing lack of complacency being seen within the Labour Party itself towards continuing the work required to get elected. No-one I know is taking anything for granted, regardless of how big a lead the polls are showing. As a Labour member and supporter, my view is that the LE's were encouraging, but aren't a direct comparison of how people vote at a GE, particularly with the Tory voter suppression tactics in place for the first time. Having 1,000 fewer Tory councillors than before is never a bad thing, but it doesn't stop the work being continued to ensure a Labour government gets elected next year. Ultimately, I think there'll be a majority Labour government elected at whatever time an election gets called, and it's frustrating that there's little that can be done to force Sunak's hand on this, thanks the sizeable majority he inherited as an unelected PM. He's got the luxury of having another 18 months or so to squat in No 10, repeatedly chuntering about delivering the "people's priorities" and ignoring the myriad of Tory-created crises that are continually evolving around him.

 

Serious question. Could you just set out some of the 'far left' policies that are being promoted within the Party's traditional voters, that will undermine the current Labour Leadership?

 

Tony Blair 3 elections won then forced out by Brown and his gang which led to defeat and a slide to the left in Miliband then a lurch to the hard left with Corbyn and his mates McDonell and Abbot. Starmer has steadied the ship and steered it back towards the centre ground and electability again.

 

Oh dear!

 

Did you see the policies Corbyn was actually offering? If that's hard left then dear me this country & it's people on the whole are more right wing than I even thought. Goebbels would jealous of the job the media has done in this country.

 

Yep, Corbyn was a Marxist wasn't he? Yeah ok. And, even if he was at least he would have stood for something. What the hell does Starmer actually stand for? He's an empty vessel and he IS a liar. The most generous thing one can say about Starmer is that he's trying not to make any 'mistakes' which could put some voters
off - but that's not an inspiring accolade is it? Yes, a Labour Government is always better than a Tory one but don't hold your breath about there being much change with Starmer as PM. Looks like Labour will simply try and be better managers of the same system that has for a long time contributed to the decline of the country and the relative erosion of living standards of a majority of the population. If I'm wrong and there are some transformative policies which make a real difference I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Doesn't look like it to me at the moment though and I think its quite sad that the best we can say about Labour at the moment is that they aren't the Tory Party. Its poor. The country needs some real change and we almost certainly won't get it with Starmer.

 

It would be ace to have a PM with an IQ in single figures to be fair.

 

Surely you've forgotten Truss?

 

that doesn’t make sense though. A party that’s not in power is just shouting into the dark. The true left wing know they can’t win. The country (media and swing voters) won’t allow it.

I agree with many of the points made in this thread about starmer, he isn’t the best leader but he is the leader. Vote Labour, as Labour is the only option to remove this horrible Tory government.

 

Many in the centre who are now supposedly making Labour ‘electable’ tried to lose in 2017 & 19 They worked against the leadership & diverted what was members money away from winnable seats to their safe seats. They organised coup’s & staggered resignations to try & take back control of the party. Several quit the party as they apparently had no confidence in the leader, yet they all managed to walk into jobs in the private sectors on huge salaries & took big donations from their anti-Corbyn backers before quitting.

And of course these are the same people that resort to childish name calling like calling people ‘cranks’ because they disagree with them politically.

I just wish they wanted to get the Tories out a few years earlier. Things could’ve been so different if Labour had got in in 2017.

 

I got as far as "far left" and stopped reading, however I'd settle for Starmer sticking to the policies he actually PLEDGED TO. He hasn't so I'll vote Green knowing I'm my area I have a free vote and it doesn't matter.

 

Because most would still rather have a Labour Party. Unlike those who did all they could to keep Corbyn out.

 

As they say, it doesn't matter who you vote for the Government always get in.

 

If their policies were that popular they would be confident their leadership challenge would succeed. They can't even win that argument in the party, let alone the country.

 

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