Philips red card

Having had the benefit of watching the EFL highlights on ITV4 now, surely the club must appeal Philips red card. As it was given for violent conduct it presumably carries a three match ban. Why should he miss the first three games of next season because of an obvious misjudgement of the referee ? Steven Schumacher, Plymouth manager, and Dean Ashton, t.v.pundit both were adamant it was, at most, a yellow card. Why should we lose him for 3 games on a refereeing error - it was less of a red card than Mowatt's red card at Wycombe which we succesfully appealed.
I wasn't able to pass judgement on the red card or the Kitching penalty at the match but, having seen the Gregory/Kitching incident I am 100% certain VAR in the Premier Lesgue would have suggested to Robinson he go and review a replay - and I have not seen a single similar instance in the Premiership/Match of the Day where, ultimately, a penalty has not been given...

 

Overturning this decision would open up a massive can of worms, though. Not with regards to Phillips being suspended, but more the fact that they'd be admitting they got a crucial decision wrong in a game of enormous importance. Where would we go from there?

 

No way would the EFL admit the ref and VAR both got that wrong

 

I agree it could be seen that way and I think there would be vested interests within the F.A./PGMOL (or however they style themselves) but if there's no outcry against this inconsistency/incompetence we will just carry on with the "same old - same old" amateurism of the F.A. /EFL etc.
I understand the obstacle you identify but I don't see a downside to B.F.C. looking after itself. My post is not about trying to start a witch hunt against the EFL/PGMOL at all but to try to correct a wrong refereeing decision.

 

It should be challenged and should be challenged in the media too. Put so much external pressure on the fa like the pundits have all done today and they simply have to admit the error.

 

This with Knobs on

 

Questions for those who know more than me about VAR.
There is an assumption that VAR failed to ask the Ref to review again.
1) Has it been confirmed that they did not?
2) If asked to review does the Ref have to or can they choose not to?

Edit: So just checked and a Ref can ignore the advice to review from VAR.

 

It absolutely should, the club if nothing else has a right to understand the thought/working process of the system as they could be affected by it again.
There are many examples of bigger more profile clubs getting an explanation, which means there is a precedent set.

 

Why not, I'd back you, I've already got a pitchfork.

 

Don’t worry they will have a well scripted reply to any questions that are thrown at them this morning
Three match ban for Philips

 

Exactly this^^' Every single pundit asked about it has called 100% penalty' what the var refs were thinking god only knows' it stinks of the refs union closing ranks to look after one they're own and thats certainly how it would seem if the red card was chalked off hence it would never happen.

 

This is what I've been wondering. Who has the final decision? Why would the ref choose not to review himself if he has the chance, unless VAR tell him they're happy with his decision? Still not enough transparency for me. Rugby can get all this to work very smoothly and with a minimum of controversy, whereas in football we just see fck up after fck up, and still a lot of the time the rationale behind the decisions is as clear as mud.

 

In my view I can see why the ref sent Phillips off and I said red card straight away when it happened. It wasn’t as bad as I initially thought (the contact that is) when seen on a replay but the way he tackled him (which was stupid and reckless) it could’ve been worse.

It was then one where they probably wouldn’t have changed the original decision, regardless of whether he gave a yellow or red.

The penalty on the other hand…..I didn’t really get a good view on it at the time so maybe the ref didn’t either. But I’ve no idea how VAR didn’t think it was a clear and obvious error. It looks a stonewall penalty!

 

And that's the problem. The ref knew VAR was in operation so why rush to make that decision? By gleefully waving the red card he made it hard to overturn because then it had to be proved he'd made a clear error. Had he sensibly given the yellow card VAR could have looked at it and suggested an upgrade to red if needed which is much easier to do if it's required than it is to downgrade one.

The penalty is just an absolutely disgusting decision and should result in people losing their job and potentially their home which is the position their corruption has potentially put Barnsley employees in

 

No matter how many times I’ve watched it, I still think it’s a red.

I’ve got a massive hangover though and my brain hasn’t worked since about 7pm

 

Same view here. I just don’t understand it. Totally inexplicable

 

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say I think it was a red card. Thought so on first watch in the stadium and having finally got round to watching replays this morning, it looks horrible. Gregory gets his toe to the ball, then AP flies in, well off the ground. Yes, there's no significant contact and Adam does try to pull his legs in, but in the game today, reckless challenges like that are just not allowed.

I'm more riled by Barry Combover's haranguing the ref to show the red. Pathetic little cuπt. Players should get booked for that.

 

For me, it’s a harsh red (especially in the magnitude of the game) but I definitely understand why he gave it (arguably it was excessive in force and reckless) and I understand why it wasn’t overturned. Irks me that the Wednesday players’ reactions helped and he seemed to take delight in brandishing his card, like he couldn’t wait to be centre stage.

there is no justification for the penalty. None.

 

It seems it is the Refs decision, you do have to wonder though if someone said worth having a look at why would you not.
Only thing I can think of that would justify not is if he was a 100% convinced he was right.

 

If VAR and the ref do their jobs properly the red card incident never happens. End of........