There's a deal of nonsense

Being aired on here following the signing of the new coach and the lack of signing of higher profile players. Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee. The philosophy of BFC has been the same ever since Patrick Cryne took over our Club.That philosophy accords with the first rule of business which is to "Stay in Business". BFC is, with some other clubs, in a minority in that they endeavour to comply with "Financial Fair Play Regulations". Many clubs are prepared to borrow money or with a banks approval run up a massive overdraft in the hope of chasing the Holy Grail. That being promotion to the Championship or the Prem. The risk being of course a points deduction or worse still administration. Fine if it works but the alternative is not so rosy.The only glitch in that theory is run up a massive debt. The old adage of owe a bank £100k and you have a problem, owe a bank £10 million and the bank has a problem. Remember the problems with Sheff Wendy when Mandaric took over.? The next problem if you get promoted is you are a 'have not' up against the 'haves'. A simple example; about 10 years ago when we were in the Championship our turnover was around £8.5 million. The average turnover for Championship clubs was around £16 million. We would have to fill Oakwell for every home match with 10,000 more than the ground holds (33,000) to compete at the same financial level. We played one of the 'haves' (West Ham) at that time who had a player, Kevin Nolan, who was paid £100k a week (circa £5 million a year) which was more than Barnsley's entire player wage bill, £4.6 million. That's what we are up against. I am not against people wanting to air their opinions and criticise the club, all I ask is if you must criticise be constructive. At the end of the day we are supporters. We'll be here when the current board, coaches and players are not. "Supporter", some people need a Thesaurus more than a keyboard.

 

Enjoy our apple and orange this Christmas and be thankful you got that. I only got a stick of Coal.

 

It's not the financial strategy I have issue with, it's the footballing one. Too much interference in matters they have no knowledge on and then hold the 'head coach' accountable for results. They had to tinker the model because it wasn't working and the appointment of Duff seemed like an acknowledgement that we needed someone home based with knowledge of the division we are competing at. In my view that brought us the unexpected success last season, we weren't pretty at times but Duff knew what we needed to get results with what he'd got. I can't think of any other Club in the division who would have appointed someone for his first gig in English football after reaching the play-offs and having what should be one of the best squads in the division. No-one knows if Collins will be any good but it seems like a missed opportunity to me after the work Duff did in rebuilding the Club and making it a more attractive proposition. The expectation for next season has to be top 6 minimum and we are relying on someone who has no relevant experience. Of course I want him to be a success but I am underwhelmed and disappointed by the type of appointment, not who they have appointed

 

Spot on. Get yourself a stick of rhubarb but you can't have any sugar to dip it in because of financial fair play and we only get 10k crowds.

 

Well said. The difference between supporters and fans is that supporters support and fans contribute to the movement of air. Usually hot, out of their mouths.
We can all be fans of Man City or Liverpool and bask in their reflective glory and pat ourselves on the back for supporting a winning team, but all those who mocked the #beingbarnsleyiswinning quote missed the point.
We are winners by being Barnsley, by supporting our club. Not by winning football matches, but by taking pride in where we are from and the team we support. You’re not winning by slagging off Barnsley FC, the board, the players, the box office etc.
It doesn’t matter if you can’t get to games etc, be an ally of the club, positivity breeds positivity. Pass it on to your kids and have them grow up understanding why it’s important that #teamslikebarnsley should exist rather than a super mega ultra league of state owned playthings.

 

Great Post.
Thank god there are some sensible people who post on here to counteract the flood of destructive, unfounded insensitive, pathetic rubbish which finds its way onto the forum from brainless idiots who hit send before engaging their brains.

 

Whilst your point about play off is probably factually correct worth pointing out that Ipswich and Plymouth appointed their Managers for their first gigs and neither of them played above L2 as far as I can see and they didn’t do too bad.

 

Glowing reports from Danny Wilson and big Mick.They mean a lot more than some kid who stamps there feet because we didn't appoint who they wanted.

 

It's not the financial strategy I have issue with, it's the footballing one. QUOTE]

The two are inextricably linked. You buy players that fit your style of play with a view to develop and sell on. The theory being it keeps you solvent.

 

It might help some folks to vent though. We get a broad spectrum of views on here, none of which are right all of the tine.

 

Not seen too much whingeing to be fair. I generally find myself between The Happy Clapper / Moaning people and same on this.

Anyone who thinks this is super dooper exciting I don’t understand. Anyone who has already decided it’ll be a disaster I don’t understand.

it looks okish to me. Young manager. Experience of playing in UK leagues. Some success behind him. At the same time it’s a far bigger gamble than Duff was. It does seem to me that the team is a fair amount weaker than the one we finished the season with so there’s a lot of work to do. 10-15 games is the time to evaluate not now.

 

You need someone like me to post a load of tripe to add balance.

 

Every season we are in this league with our current cost structure we will be running up massive £5-6m deficits each year. If folk think the owners are going to fund that ad infinitum then good luck.

Any CEO with an ounce of strategic nous should be pointing out to the Board the context of increased chances of promotion this season and that a modicum of investment to improve the team marginally (up front, although defensive keys now need to be adequately replaced) over last year, a financial drop in the ocean compared to the alternative, would give them an excellent, fairly low-risk, opportunity of return.

And, dear God, if we don't have any aspirations to get into the Championship we might as well pack up - well managed clubs with lesser resources tend to do pretty well there and so can we.

I'm agnostic as to the new manager, as I believe any fair-minded person can only be - none of us have any experience of him. His teams will have my full backing on the pitch (home and away as usual) and I'm actually fairly pleased we didn't appoint a Wilder, Moore or Jones but the thing which does need to happen is for there to be signings that give us a back three at least as strong as Thomas, Andersen and Kitching were last season and a better set of four first-line strikers. That is not being negative in any way, it is caring, it is wanting to be positive, it is about being competitive in the top six, it is about getting off to a start better than the one that stymied us last season and it is the best way to move the finances of the club to a much more sustainable footing.

 

I'm referring primarily to the recruitment. The fact that we continue to sign players even when we don't have a Head Coach says it all. It isn't the finance that restricts our choice of Manager/Head Coach it is the operating model....established ones won't work like that and it is why the good ones who have a little bit of success, like Hecky and Duff, move on quickly or start making demands like Stendel did that means they end up being forced out. Even with a Head Coach, for me all player signings should be signed off by them - they are accountable for the results on the pitch and know how they want their team to play. We have been through daft periods where we kept signing 'number 10s' and we played 4-4-2 or wingers and we play with wing-backs

 

The 17/18 season was a shocker.

 

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A bargain is a bargain. I've loads of stuff I've bought because it was a bargain, not necessarily that it would be useful to me.

 

I tell you what holds us back, the board not getting true value for players. The model works on paper but you you’ve got to be prepared to hold your nerve and not accept under valued offers.

 

Maybe they should split the league structure into two sections. Those who are willing to comply with FFP and those who have no qualms about flaunting it by whatever means they see fit. At least the rule breakers would be able to pin their colours to the mast without fear of being caught out.