ULEZ

Agree entirely about the principle of forcing people to scrap perfectly serviceable cars. The most co2 efficient car is the one that's already been built.

But the natural life cycle is that at one end of the chain, cars go off to scrap when they reach the end of their useful life. At the other end of the chain, new cars are bought and enter the overall car pool. It is better if the new one is an EV.

 

Agree fully with that. That's partly why I'd ban the bigger engines and high speeds in ice cars basically immediately. That way anyone wanting a new car would be more inclined to go electric as the options for ice wouldn't be as attractive

 

One of the benefits of getting your vehicle mapped is that it can make it more fuel efficient therefore I am assuming causing less pollution.
If that assumption is correct it raises the question that given the technology is there to retrofit this why not push the manufacturers to make the cars more efficient in the first place?
I know it doesn’t solve the issue with producing fuel etc but would have thought it’s a good start and much easier to implement.

 

Well said …. but I still don’t follow

 

Perhaps I’ve spoken to too many taxi drivers whose mileage isn’t quite typical.
Thanks for pointing out those facts though.

It seems that just basic facts are getting totally misconstrued.
I bet a large percentage of the population don’t really know what hybrid means !

 

I don't argue with any of that mate. In fact there are other seasons why EVs are not the answer, one of which is the massive environmental damage done by mining operations for the rare metals used in batteries.

The central point I was making was that carbon cost can best be reduced by using cars sparingly. You're right about buses, many of which wouldn't be needed now but for the wholesale destruction of the railways in the 60s.

One thing that really boils my blood is when the people of Uxbridge bleat about the cost of ULEZ when they have the benefit of the best public transport system in the whole of the UK if not Europe.

 

Not quite right, there is a CO2 cost just getting the petrol out of the ground,transported to the UK, refined and then transported to the pumps.

 

But chances are the 2018 car will pass ULEZ standards. No one is forcing this change on those cars.

 

Mining is done for the batteries on an EV once. Mining is done for the fuel an ICE car needs throughout its whole life. And although its not up to full speed yet because the end of life EVs don't exist yet, the recycling of used batteries will ultimately reduce that one off mining requirement even further.

When people make this argument about the environmental cost of mining for minerals used in batteries, I suspect it is difficult to even picture the sheer scale of the mining that takes place for fossil fuels. Not to mention the energy used to process it and transport it.

 

Absolutely they are. The misinformation that is out there about EVs is phenomenal. Its a campaign that appears to be very well funded. The fossil fuel industry is not going to give up without a colossal and expensive fight. Too much money to be made and who gives a sh.it about the planet anyway.

 

If you want to see just how much lies Khan is spouting watch this. Really shows ULEZ making very little difference and there isn't much of an issue without it and you might be surprised and perhaps put of travelling on the underground where the problem really is!



Its nothing more than getting people to either sell their cars to reduce traffic or buy new ones to extract more cash and taxes. All part of the plan to remove private car ownership imho.

 

Perfectly correct. However, battery technology still has some way to go but it will get better and as you say, recycling will play an important part. Fossil fuels must be phased out as quickly as we possibly can but sadly we're not doing it.

For all vehicles, brake dust and surface noise are still a problem which can only be tackled by public transport.

 

I think you will find, if you look at it Boris Johnson & the Tory party were the people behind this policy. I'm sure the Daily Mail aren't reporting that though. I do agree with it myself, even though it makes a lot of work for me in London a bit more difficult. Check who passed this & you will see the facts.Khan is not the man to blame for a policy that provides better health.

 

"Granddad, did you do anything back in the 20's when it became clear that the planet was in trouble and our future was being compromised"

"Well I was gonna buy an electric car honey, but back then, you couldn't get one that you could 700 miles in without stopping and it took half an hour to charge them. So I got another diesel instead".

Sorry, very Tw.attish of me but it just frustrates me now that we are not doing enough.

 

It is a bit twattish yeah, unless you also never eat meat, never use any single use plastics, only ever buy shampoo and soap bars, buy everything from refill stores, never use electricity for entertainment or other frivolous uses, never take any flights and live your life like a monk. There’s plenty of improvements you could make (a bike or public transport is even better than an electric car) and choose not to, the people you’re mocking may do one/all of the above that you don’t but have a diesel car as their selfish thing.

 

Don't disagree at all. I don't do enough. In that respect, I am a hypocrite. Totally accept that. It was very tw.attish though. I was just being frivolous.

I'd quite like to cut meat out but my wife won't hear of it. Being retired, she does all the food prep. Hey ho.

 

Hope not

 

ULEZ sounds like a question @Stephen Dawson used to ask women in his younger days.

 

My electric car, I’ve had for 4 years. No difference in capacity of battery yet? Not sure where you get your stats from?

 

I thought it was the latest Argentinian rumoured signing..,,