Pre Season Moaners

It is, but it's down to posts like this from the same individuals.

 

We're going to win 6-5...

 

Party pooper. It's up to Gally if he wants to shut WSB toss club.

 

I’m a lot happier with the forward options now. Can see Iseka and Shaw getting loaned out.
The defence needs to be the priority now. A good experienced organiser wouldn’t go amiss, another Sollbauer type would do me. Oh and a RWB, which O’Keefe should cover if he signs.

 

Reading comments from Solihull and Chesterfield fans about Dallas are very mixed with plenty saying it’s too big a step up for him but a guess time will tell and don’t think we’ve broken the bank for him.

 

O’Keefe could also allow Williams to play at RCB or LWB when required so I’m hoping it comes off.

 

As far as I can see there have been unevidenced opinions, claims and generalisations being made on all fronts recently and there's been just as much traffic, if not more, making false/dubious points to deflect from the club as there are criticising it. (If I read again that the loan market doesn't move at all until late August when there have been over 30 loans to L1 clubs alone already I think I'll spontaneously combust ).

I would agree that there seems to be a more scattergun fringe to the dogmatically critical 'wing' but equally there's been plenty of personal vitriol towards fellow supporters from the other side of the fence - you only have to trawl through a few of the threads on here over the last few days to see multiple bandying about of imho really unnecessary words like 'mental', 'insane', 'donut', 'pathetic', 'lunacy' 'fools' and phrases like 'you shouldn't support this club'.

Notwithstanding the guy who was aggressive towards Gally, if anything it's the latter that has made me most despair at some fellow supporters, particularly as someone who in the past struggled with actual mental health issues. I also think it's why you end up with the fringe being the most vocal of the critical posters, because those who express reasoned concerns probably think why bother, those posts being met with a torrent of sarcastic 'that's the spirit' or similar/worse responses. (There used to be a 'rule' of 'attack the substance of the post but not the poster' didn't there - maybe I'm dreaming that up?)

It's got so bad I ended up thinking at the weekend that if James Norwood, who probably knows a bit more about the game than anyone on here, had written what he put in the Yorkshire Post on here he'd have been lambasted and called anything from a moaner to mental!

Nevertheless, I still think the vast majority of supporters judge most things on their individual merit and will praise where we think good and criticise only when not. However, when genuinely held, reasoned and argued positions are dismissed as moaning or worse it really isn't pleasant or necessary imho.

There, I've said it now - let all hellfire and brimstone descend on me.

For what very little it's worth I do remain concerned at our recruitment as for me it's about the acquiring the right quality to replace the players we've lost in goal, at the back and up front. At very best, the jury has to be out on the keepers and the strikers and we remain without two L1 quality centre backs imho.

 

Yeah it's pathetic isn't it, and there was no need for this sort of thread, in what has been a positive day for the squad.

 

Take this post and inject it into my veins.

 

Spot on, echoes my thoughts entirely

 

The new signings some will be good and some will be bad. That's Football. But on paper if people were miserable before, our summer transfer dealings won't be changing minds just yet.

 

"However, when genuinely held, reasoned and argued positions are dismissed as moaning or worse it really isn't pleasant or necessary imho."

100% agree."

My issue is with the positions which are not genuinely held, reasoned and argued.
The opinions which are insensitive, unsubstantiated and posted to create negativity rather than reasoned debate, are actually the ones which are unpleasant and unnecessary.

 

You're right, of course, but I imagine the OP has read the same posts I have, so I understand his frustration.

 

My post was borne out of frustration Hooky. That frustration is borne out of the fact that we made so much progress last year with a new board who seem intent on getting us back onto a secure footing and yet, despite that, they're being hung, drawn and quartered before being given the chance to further the development of the club into their second year in charge.
It's good to have debate and disagreement. It's not good to see comment and vitriol aimed at the club with no reasoned or thought through argument.
I guess we're no different to the fans of any other club. I just like to think we could be.

 

What is a personal ring piece cleaner?

 

My frustrations don't lie with the board of Barnsley FC, who are clearly doing their best in incredibly difficult circumstances. They're more with the way professional football has developed in the UK over the last 20 years. There will always be the odd exception, such as Luton recently, but generally money dictates just about everything in the game. The prize of promotion to the Championship isn't such a big draw any more for me and hence my reluctance to buy a season ticket. The last 20 years just prove that promotion would probably result in a season, or seasons, of struggle at the wrong end of the table before eventually a return to League One.

The season under Ismael was very much a one off in highly unusual circumstances. The likelihood of being able to repeat it any time soon is very slim indeed. If all that makes me a glass half empty type, then so be it. I prefer to be a realist and on Barnsley's budget success in the Championship, should they achieve promotion, is highly unlikely imo. Finances suggest Barnsley ought to be able to compete in the top half of League One. I expect them to do so again this season. That's as far as my optimism extends I'm afraid.

They change manager frequently, not always by their own choosing, and the best players have to be sold to balance the books. Without a huge injection of cash from a rich benefactor they can't really achieve much at all. That's how English football works these days and I hate it. It stifles the dreams of fans, many of whom are being priced out by clubs who increase ticket prices. This preseason has been difficult for the club, but many of the problems they face aren't of their own making, they're down to the system they're in, one which makes it incredibly difficult to make any kind of meaningful progress.

 

But “the bashing is only coming from one direction”…….

 

When is the Pre Season Moaners first AGM, I'd like to join?

 

Still concerned unknown manager , unknown keepers, lack of defensive spine, forward line hardly likely to be prolific. Need another midfielder and s Michael Sollbauer/Kevin Long to shore the defence up.
Always happy to be proved wrong but coming out of Wembley thinking we’ll be champions ( never won a league in my time), that has massively ebbed away with the disaster of the last two months.

 

100 % the reason my enthusiasm to follow football is dwindling away.
The players have far too much clout.
I never forget Patrick saying to me ,he wish he could go back to being a fan, over being an owner.
It's no fun trying to run a football club.