Bibby Stockholm

I think it's obvious at this point that you're either thick as mince or racist. I'll let you choose which.

 

Coming over here, taking our jobs...........


that no one wants.

 

Better than the countries they originally left? Yeah I’d guess so.

Better than the other choices for asylum (in terms of accommodation, benefits granted etc). No. I’ll tell you this again. No. That just isn’t true.

They get much less monetary allowance, and have to wait much longer to get the right to work, than France, Germany, Sweden, many, many more. These are facts, not opinions. We take in fewer refugees and asylum seekers in real terms and per capita than many comparable European neighbours.

We also have a growing population of natives that are getting more and more discontent and being more and more vocal, vandalising, and in some cases violent, in areas housing migrants. For no real good reason as there is no evidence whatsoever of increased levels of crime - these claims just aren’t backed with the stats.

People talk about four star hotels as though migrants being housed in hotels are getting luxury food and lodging with access to pools, spas and gyms, cinema rooms and massages, room service etc.

The reality is they’re often crammed four and six to a room into what are normally twin or double premier inn, holiday inn, and travelodge rooms. I can assure you even in the best examples and normal setups, those brands do not provide four star accommodation, never mind setup to cram in as many as possible on prison type bunks.

It would cost much less taxpayer money to have a proper system, vetting asylum claims in a timely manner, and to assist in providing sanitary housing and access to work etc, than what they are doing now. It would also have an economic net benefit in a short period of time. But then we’d have the ‘cummin ova ‘ere, tekkin us jobs’ brigade frothing at the mouth over someone working a 45 hour week minimum wage job, the type that they’ve spent their whole adult life actively avoiding doing themselves whilst plodding along on universal credit. I have much more time for those who want to come over here, settle, work pay taxes and contribute to society than the ever growing number of small minded xenophobes, many of those like we saw in the ‘protest’ in Rotherham.

People misinterpret the ‘stop the small boats’ rhetoric to mean that the government plan on stopping all refugees and asylum seekers coming here. They don’t. Because they can’t, it contravenes binding agreements signed up to, and is against international law. So you aren’t stopping all the foreign types coming by backing them…

You might not agree we have a moral responsibility to host people displaced from their homes due to persecution and war - I’d say thinking that way is pretty despicable in itself, but you can have an opinion - but you can’t argue against international law which the government has to abide to (and doesn’t mention in their efforts to get, and keep, people on-side).

Stopping small boats is the single popular policy the tories hang their hat on. It’s the one hope they have for the next election.

The fact that they could very bloody easily stop the boats by eliminating the need for people to take that route - and that it wouldn’t actually be comparatively expensive to do so - is lost on too many.

But as long as they are saying the right thing, saying they are stopping something which they caused and could easily fix; and of course housing migrants on floating hovels, flying them off to Rwanda or talking about sending them to Ascension Island, at exorbitant unnecessary cost but achieving the objective of showing we aren’t a ‘soft touch’ - the sheep in their target audience will be happy.

I know I’m flogging a dead horse, but if just one person goes and looks up the actual facts and changes tack even slightly, then it’s worthwhile.

 

This doesn’t help you decide which one but I think I’ve figured something out. He genuinely thinks the refugees come from little backwater villages and live in little mud huts with no mod cons or technology. That’s why he thinks they’re all desperate to come here for our fantastically superior way of life. He can’t fathom that they’re just people like you and me from places that were just like here before the war and that they’d much rather be at home if it was safe.

These pictures are heartbreaking https://www.boredpanda.com/before-a...oogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

 

Message in a bottle just to make doubly sure.

 

Like the point made about spending on housing the homeless or investing in tackling the root cause, I’m not sure there has to be an either/or in this case.

Very strong argument for both…

 

More than happy to meet up next home game and dicuss in person

 

Excellent, just one thing to note is that the first sentence plays into his preconceived ideas of where there are escaping from. Here is currently better than there as a war/persecution is happening, it’s not better than there full stop. We had a very prejudiced student once who came from a small European country and had horrible ideas about Pakistan. He spent ages ranting at his Pakistani friends about how much better his home country was until they got fed up with him and started researching the things he was saying. It turned out he didn’t even know where it was on a map for a starters, had no idea Pakistan was 12x larger than his home country and that they had amazing cities and technology. He actually accused them of lying when they showed him photos on the internet. He truly thought they all lived in little villages with shanty houses and no food or money and came to England to be able to live in proper houses.

 

Last year we received over three times as many asylum applications from Albanians than we did Syrians.

 

I think it's a valid response, uv basically just accused him of been racist or thick...... Guaranteed you wouldn't say it to his face

 

Why pick on one person replying to your bile, the rest of us want to know, why not discuss it on here, justify your viewpoint, respond to the factual rebuttals made. the forum is yours.........

 

I'm not the one name calling behind a keyboard.. anyway all I asked was how come there seems to be alot of males as opposed to women and children and got answered with ifs buts and maybes. Have a good day.

 

& our men..

 

If by "ifs buts and maybes" you mean "explanations and common sense" then I guess you're right. It's becoming ever more clear that you're desperate to hang onto an anti-immigrant viewpoint despite whatever reason you are presented with which suggests either a lack of reasoning skills or prejudice.

 

Any migratory animal is led by the alpha males. Look at wolves.. Why endanger families, if the path ahead is uncertain & dangerous..? That’s the paternal instinct. It’s as simple as that mate, honestly.

 

If he was saying that tripe in my presence then yes I absolutely would.

 

I don't think you would. Easy to say behind a keyboard. Any like like said all I asked was a question that ruffled a few feathers. I gave you the opportunity to discuss in person you declined rather sling insults behind a keyboard.

 

That is most definitely not all you asked.

And it has been answered.

But in the vain attempt of trying again

(Not my words):

“…the journeys to Calais are incredibly harsh. From Africa they might cross the Sahara which takes many lives, then Libya, which is lawless and no woman could cross without being raped. From the Middle East the journey is across the Balkans where night-time temperatures can be minus 20 and the borders are rife with beatings and human rights abuses. Few women and children would survive theses horrors.

Many families will not risk their daughters safety on a journey to Europe. People trafficking, sexual abuse, exploitation and violence is far more prevalent for a female travelling as a refugee, so the males of the family take on the duty, claiming asylum if they survive to bring their family over safely.

So the young men you see on these boats are doing their best to protect their families. Their mothers, grandmothers, sisters, babies, daughters.

How often does a father say they’d die for their daughter, a husband say they’d die for their wife? Well these guys are putting it into practice. Let’s hope and pray that our sons, husbands, partners, nephews and brothers never have to have their love tested like this.”

That do you?