A Dark Period in British Life

Whatever your political views a very astute analysis

https://x.com/doubledownnews/status/1706598288336568585?s=61&t=ZE1j6ndDucny8bLNCR9p9g

 

I caught myself earlier this evening talking about Cameron and Osborne as if they represented some kind of golden era in modern politics.

That was bad enough, but if i went back 20 years and told the 19 year old me that I'd just nodded along in agreement to a video from Peter fúcking Oborne then I've got no idea what state he'd have thought the world of 2023 was in. We were no fan of Gordon Brown at the time, but the idea of very reasonable criticism of the Labour leader coming from him of all people would have been absolutely staggering.

 

Whatever you thought of Gordon he came across as a reasonably honest person. Starmer is from the same political cloth as Sunak and Johnson. A sad state of affairs.

 

One could say the same about Thatcher, Heath, Attlee to think of just a few more. Regardless of political viewpoint there wasn't any major political shape-shifting from any of those (in my opinion of course). Johnson and Starmer are both despicable characters (again my opinion which I've touted several times before).

 

Mostly honest and at least halfway competent, with hindsight!

I remember insisting 10 or so years ago that history would remember him kindly - more and more I'm coming round to the idea that he might be seen in the future as the final PM of what you might call the 20th century style.

I still think he should have doubled down on calling that woman a bigot though.

 

I'm sceptical there was ever a golden age of integrity in British politics. As Starmer is the only person positioned to challenge the Tories for the foreseeable future, all you have to ask yourself is: do you want to give them another five years to continue the ruination they've wrought for the last thirteen?

 

Also, a little context is required.
Double Down News is a media outlet with very much a left wing Corbynista perspective who will always seek to find fault with any stance Starmer takes.
Sadly most of his “lies” are to disarm attack lines that the Tories and their client journalists can use to back him into a corner.
Let’s get him into power and judge him by his actions. There’s no alternative under the current electoral system.

 

I'd rather have Starmer in as a replacement to these fascist wannabes for a start. Then kick him out immediately and have someone proper in. Get back to grown up politics and have some kind of buzz back into this shitty country

 

Do you think well known conservative Peter is in any way left wing. Hoping Starmer is lying about lying really is 5D chess.

There’s always an alternative other parties are available. That’s not really the point. Lying is corroding everything. The desire for power without integrity or purpose is corroding anything. Whatever your politics this needs to stop and we need to stop rewarding liars with high office. Like Sunak and Johnson I’d you reward liars they unsurprisingly continue to lie.

 

Unfortunately, under the UK (and Belarus) first past the post system, a vote for an alternative ends up a wasted vote. Surely in the UK's next election the only priority should be to destroy the current Conservative party. Depending on constituency, vote for the viable alternative, be it Labour, Lib Dem , SNP or Plaid Cymru.

 

There truly was; Clement Atlee's government.

 

I'm hoping against hope for a hung parliament. The Lib Dems as kingmakers will be our only chance of proper electoral reform. I would also say that the Lib Dems are far closer to my views these days on most major issues that Labour. I will however be campaigning for Labour at the next election as I live in a very marginal Labour-Tory swing seat, where the incumbent MP is an absolutely despicable piece of excrement. Not supporting Labour here would be absolute folly.

 

Are you naive enough to believe that it is worthwhile voting for the greens, lib dems etc? Yes I probably align with them more than I do with Labour in some cases, but we are effectively a two party state.

If you want another few years of Tory rule crack on and vote Green. I wish it wasn't like this but that is the reality.

I don't get your obsession with targeting him when you are supposedly a Labour voter? Why put all your energy into him, have you seen what's going on in Govt at the moment?

Talk about cutting your nose off....

 

I was also no fan of Blair, but look at Britain then compared with now. I have a lot of issues with Starmer for sure, but compared with the current incumbents....

 

Obviously in an ideal world yeah we wouldnt tolerate any lying etc, but christ if you were going to go after one politician with an election looming next year, I'd have thought you would start with the ones in charge. Perhaps Jimmy feels that base is already covered on here?

This reminds me of Rachel Riley's obsession with Corbyn to be honest.

 

Have just finished watching the Laura Kuensberg documentary series on the last few Tory administrations.

Starmer has a long way to go before he gets anywhere near close to catching Boris up as a liar.

The whole Conservative Party as far as I can see has been a massive omnishambles since 1992

Even when in power they were plotting to oust their leaders, not just Liz Truss, but May and Boris.

They knew Boris wasn't up to the job but was good at getting them the election win, they planned to get rid as soon as possible.

They don't care about this country, just about themselves.

 

30 years ago. People said that a vote for the SNP was a wasted vote under FPTP. People ignored that and started voting with their beliefs and ideals and changed the narrative. The only reason we are trapped in FPTP is because we let ourselves be. The vote for us because we are not them is both reductive and ultimately self defeating. You can change things

As for voting the tories out. Yes I’m all for it. What I don’t want is to replace one party pursuing right wing politics with another. Labour we bit a viable alternative. If I lent them my vote they would then take that as a mandate for their centre right austerity and privatisation agenda.

 

Blair should be in The Hague and certainly not running the Labour Party via PM.

 

The whole post war consensus period up to say 1970