Why do you think clubs do this?

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  1. PeniRed

    PeniRed Well-Known Member

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    Sheff wed really struggling

    Sack the manager

    Want to replace him with 34 year old Danny Rohl who has never been a manager


    Barnsley really struggling

    Sack Manager

    Replaced him with 36 year old Ashbag from Sweden u21s.


    Huddersfield really struggling

    Sack manager

    Replaced him with 35 year old Mark Fotheringham who had never been a manager


    Surely when your club is in the **** its not the time to do this??
     
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    Because a lot of the 'tried and tested' managers either won't be interested if they have a good record, and others have failed elsewhere. Teams are hoping they un earth a gem.

    Danny Wilson hadn't managed before Barnsley...

    I get you're talking specifically about sides struggling at the time, but if they have the quality to lift a squad low on confidence and get them working hard(er), that's what teams like that need. Obviously sometimes they clearly don't have those qualities, but I don't think it's a pre-requisite that they must be experienced; though it could help.
     
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    You could argue it works the other way aswell it's not always the case a new manager fails, hence clubs do it to try and shake things up.
    Gary O'Neil never managed before comfortably kept Bournemouth up last season.
    Steven Schumacher took over the reins from Ryan Lowe and took Plymouth to the title last season.
    Kieran Mackenna never managed before took ipswich up and has them 2nd.

    Danny Wilson, Hecky achieved it with us with no previous experience.

    So I'd argue the case, really depends on the individual appointed, been plenty of experienced managers also failed at clubs, Conte at spurs, wilder at boro the list goes on.
     
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    Not sure about us, but budget presumably?

    Xisco would have needed paying up, as would Warnock, and both presumably would have been on a fair wedge.

    Probably wanting to try something different too. The expensive experienced coaches didn't work out, so they've gone for a coach who's probably learnt their craft at academies and within the modern game.
     
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    Three of our best managers hadn't managed before
    Wilson
    Clarke
    Hunter

    If they are good enough they'll do well
     
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    Kieran Mckenna who has spent £10M+, adding to an already expensive squad!
     
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    But your OP didn't say anything to do with finance it was sacking managers and bringing in so called lesser managers point still stands, based on the same principle then Mark Hughes at Bradford biggest budget in the league bar wrexham, household name abject failure
     
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    Because you only get to pick 2 of the following:
    1. A decent CV with experience
    2. Affordable
    3. Willing to manage Barnsley
     
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    Id say they were our 3 best managers - certainly in the last 50 years or so
     
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    Without a doubt
     
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    A Golden Era (apart from the "short" interlude between Hunter and Wilson ;)).
     
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    Nearly all of the successful young managers mentioned in this thread were already at their clubs when they were given the managers job. I think there's a big difference between that and taking a punt on an unknown manager like we did with Asbaghi for example or Morais
     
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    yes i think my actual point seems to be a bit lost

    If your in a relegation battle and your situation is getting critical, you could lose 7 million from going down

    its surely mental to go abroad and get a total novice

    internal appointments weren't really what i was getting at!
     
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    Reflecting on it, I agree. If it becomes clear you're in the **** you appoint Neil Warnock or similar on a contract until the end of the season on a modest salary but with a massive survival bonus. He'll make you ******* horrible to play against and **** to watch, but hopefully he'll buy you another season to try again with a different progressive coach.
     
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    So are you suggesting Huddersfield and Wednesday should have stuck with Muñoz and Warnock, even though it wasn't working, because they're experienced? Or that they should have replaced them with someone else from the managerial merry-go-round?
     
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    i'd have warnock over darren moore anyday

    and swfc are crying out for a warnock type, which is why im glad they didnt get one!
     
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    You can probably add Stendel and Heckingbottom onto that list. Which covers most of our promotion seasons with younger, inexperienced managers.
     
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    Even though he struggled at Huddersfield?
     

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