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The Hamas leader is caught in a lie basically in the last few hours because he's saying they haven't killed any civilians. Despite videos, photos and descriptions from witnesses stating otherwise.

 

I think and hope the flag on the post above is to support queers who would live and be equal in a Palestine state.

Otherwise, for a gay, simply supporting the creation of a Palestinian state without a second thought is indeed ironic as well as brave - not far off being a turkey voting for Christmas. Be careful what you wish for.

Irony - "A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result."

Like the rest of us, I hope and am sure that gays (although I'm not sure why anyone needs to wear a sexually orientated hat on an issue such as this) are revulsed by the lunacy of the murderous intent of the so called "leaders" on both sides in this conflict.

 

I said that religion is an important element of the conflict, you wilfully ignoring that fact makes me think you’re not here for genuine debate, so I’ll leave you with this head scratcher then, if it’s nothing to do with religion. Why do British born Muslims of Pakistani ancestry feel the need to spit on/attack British Jews? Or write “free Palestine” and attend demonstrations against Israel? I don’t see them protesting outside the Saudi embassy despite the Saudis having killed hundreds and thousands of people there? Could it be they ignore their co-religionists behaviour? Perish the thought.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/21/saudi-arabia-mass-killings-migrants-yemen-border

 

No, it's not because by having a Palestinian flag they're not supporting the state, they're supporting the people living there who are lgtbq. If you want to see otherwise then that is obviously up to you.

 

A Quote from The Times of Israel 3rd January 2023 “Since 2015, the UN General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians”. As for your head scratcher Pakistani Muslims are Sunni whose zealots hate all other religions and that includes Shiah and aluwyte Muslims. Sunni Muslims zealots have burned down churches in Pakistan. Netanyahu never refers to Hamas as Muslims he calls them Palestinian terrorists as does every other government and the UN.Your specious rhetoric trying to espouse this as a religious conflict is nothing short of claptrap.

 

Why’s the British government taking a political stance with Israel and lighting the Houses of Parliament up blue and white then In the next breath arming the Ukrainians to fight the Russians?

 

Because America supports Israel.

 

Which is why the US has sent the USS Gerarald Ford to the eastern Med with 75 planes aboard plus 2 other warships.

 

Where are the arrests?

 

"At the event, organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Israel was branded an ‘apartheid murderous regime’.

Placards included ‘For a socialist intifada’, the slogan coined by the Socialist Party. There were also banners held by ‘the International Jewish anti-Zionist network’, ‘Jewish Voice for Labour’ and ‘Jewish Network for Palestine’.

One speaker told the crowd: “As this situation inevitably escalates a coalition of anti-racist and anti-war groups will be leading public demonstrations of solidarity with the people of Palestine. We do this because of our dedication to the application of international law. And for the basic principle of human rights and dignity.

“We want to see an end to all violence particularly that which targets civilians whilst recognising it won’t be achieved until 75 years of violence towards the Palestinian people is adequately addressed. Our grievance is with the actions of the Israeli state and those governments that are complicit with them.”

There is nothing within their own article which suggests that the attendees were "pro-Hamas"

 

We should light up our buildings with israeli flags

900+ of their citizens have just been slaughtered by terrorists

 

No we shouldn't. The blockade of Gaza they've put in place is collective punishment; a recognised war crime.

 

We absolutely should not.

Hamas has committed an awful act here by attacking Israel and killing many, many civilians including 260 (at the last count) at a music festival. Israel have been committing crimes and imposing inhumane situations on Gaza with the blockades.

Neither should be celebrated for their acts, neither should get their colours projected onto buildings around here. There are no winners in this game, just losers. The biggest losers being the innocent men, women and children getting slaughtered.

 

Well said.

 

Are you intentionally ignoring the actions of the Israeli state that have led to this? Or just going along with mainstream rhetoric?

Israel as a state is not a victim here; though innocent Israelis are. Innocent Palestinians also are victims.

There’s probably more innocent victims on one side compared to the other.

But the bbc will report how many people have ‘died’ in Gaza after Israeli attacks and in the same piece report how many have ‘been killed’ in Hamas attacks. Very different language for the murders of innocents.

I’m on neither side. But the reporting is.

 

I think that's in part down to the news coverage. I watched the news for the first time in months last night and it was heavily biased in favour of Israel.

 

There are times, and this is one of them, when you can see why the antisemitic tropes about powerful Jews controlling the media are so popular among those who struggle to tie their shoe laces...

 

I wouldn't know much about that to be honest. It was merely an observation of the coverage I saw last night. I might have been overthinking it. Someone else who watched the 6pm BBC news bulletin might have watched it and seen it completely differently to me.

 

I can tie my shoe laces and I can figure out that Israel is just as much to blame as Hamas for the current situation in the Middle East. Alongside Iran, the US and many others.
Thanks.