Just for Farnham Red :)

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by paul.d, Nov 6, 2023.

  1. pau

    paul.d Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    12,858
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The attached shows historically up to the end of last season how we fare against current L1 teams with an expected value and how we have actually performed so far-we are just over 4 pts better than expected so far pic 3.jpg
     
    Farnham_Red, scarf, Archey and 4 others like this.
  2. Stephen Dawson

    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2018
    Messages:
    36,200
    Likes Received:
    30,971
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I can't make head nor tail of that.
     
    paul.d likes this.
  3. pau

    paul.d Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    12,858
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It's not THAT hard :) the expected value calculated from 3pts for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss.
    so eg Burton at home W 2 D 2 L 1 so 8 pts from 5 games average 1.60 expected over a period of time.
    We won ie 3 pts so 1.40 better than expected
    is that better??
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  4. Stephen Dawson

    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2018
    Messages:
    36,200
    Likes Received:
    30,971
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Is it historical?
     
  5. She

    Sheriff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2006
    Messages:
    3,348
    Likes Received:
    6,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It's interesting from a trivia perspective, but it doesn't provide any particular insight as to our progress (or otherwise) this season. Collating the results of 50+ seasons in the same division as Port Vale, for example, doesn't provide any indication of our relative strengths this year.

    Additionally, the expected overall points total for the season of 63.27 falls well short of what we'd hope to achieve after last season, even allowing for the Stevenage anomaly of zero xPts and the fact that we'd expect some sort of drop-off from the squad being inevitably weakened over the summer.

    Interesting in isolation, but no indicator either way of progress.
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  6. pau

    paul.d Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    12,858
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    absolutely correct :)
     
    Sheriff and Stephen Dawson like this.
  7. pau

    paul.d Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    12,858
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    yep
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  8. TonyTyke

    TonyTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    6,035
    Likes Received:
    3,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    paul.d, it's great to have you back !
     
  9. Archey

    Archey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    26,063
    Likes Received:
    21,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    A big massive boat
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Welcome back mate, you're going to make my match day previews a lot easier ;)
     
    Merde Tete likes this.
  10. Prince of Risborough

    Prince of Risborough Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,180
    Likes Received:
    11,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Dunnington, East of York
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I've not been right through the list above but there are two omissions at the top.

    This season's Blackpool and Bristol Rovers fixtures are not included. Any more?
     
  11. pau

    paul.d Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    12,858
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I have deliberately not updated with this seasons results as it distorts things!! I will update at the end of the season in preparation for next year -UNLESS we get promoted in which case I'll need to start all over again :)
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  12. Prince of Risborough

    Prince of Risborough Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,180
    Likes Received:
    11,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Dunnington, East of York
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Aah, I did wonder if that was your reasoning, and I didn't read the opening statement properly:)
     
    paul.d likes this.
  13. Brush

    Brush Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2005
    Messages:
    16,953
    Likes Received:
    15,939
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Ex-IT professional
    Location:
    Swadlincote, South Derbyshire
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    No but it is hysterical :D:D
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  14. Stephen Dawson

    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2018
    Messages:
    36,200
    Likes Received:
    30,971
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
     
  15. wak

    wakeyred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    9,828
    Likes Received:
    8,589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    the clues in my imaginative online moniker
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I think it would be more accurate to take the last 4 games against each team - home and away, to make it more relevant. Including results from 50 years ago is not a good predictor of this season.
     
  16. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    34,390
    Likes Received:
    23,824
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Farnham
    Style:
    Barnsley
    seconded!!
     
  17. JLWBigLil

    JLWBigLil Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    50,797
    Likes Received:
    32,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thirded.
     
  18. Stephen Dawson

    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2018
    Messages:
    36,200
    Likes Received:
    30,971
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Quartered.
     
  19. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    34,390
    Likes Received:
    23,824
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Farnham
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Really shows the discrepancy between our home and away form over 5 points down on home and over 9 points ahead on the away form
    If only we werent so bad at home we would be running away with things this season
     
    Stephen Dawson likes this.
  20. She

    Sheriff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2006
    Messages:
    3,348
    Likes Received:
    6,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The surprise for me is how many of the teams in the league are relatively uncommon opponents for us historically. 8 teams have 10 or fewer seasons with us in the same division as them and half of the league is covered by taking 16 seasons or less.

    I'm not sure I'd have picked Port Vale out as the team we've spent most seasons in the same division with from that list. I'd probably have guessed at Bolton, Blackpool or Portsmouth.

    Zero home wins vs Wigan doesn't read well. Hopefully we can address that when the fixture comes around this season, given that it seems to be their #1 grudge match, if the twitter 'banter' is anything to go by.
     

Share This Page