YP article - "we need to be better"

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  1. wolvestyke

    wolvestyke Well-Known Member

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    https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spo...tells-whole-club-we-need-to-be-better-4421199

    I found some of Collins' comments in the above article interesting.

    Re the FA Cup expulsion: "Ultimately a mistake's been made and we need to learn from it. As a club we need to be better. We've got human beings here and we all make mistakes. This one's just bigger than some others.
    We live in a culture these days where we're always inclined to put blame on one person. We've got to stay together as a football club and a squad, we need to be better for it and put the processes in place. We review everything we do, whether it be a training session or anything else."

    I agree with everything he says. Mistakes do happen and 99% of the time they're unintentional. I've always taken the view that it's best not to apportion blame to individuals unless a) it was done intentionally, in which case it's malicious or b) the mistake is repeated. I'm sure it wasn't intentional and so I don't share the social media view that someone should lose their job. I imagine the person / people involved feel awful about it anyway.
    But the issue for me is that too many mistakes are happening. Admittedly they're slightly different in nature but nevertheless, mistakes have been a theme in how the club operates in recent times. In my experience an environment in which lots of mistakes occur is either cultural i.e. standards are low, or structural e.g. people are spread too thinly and can't cope with the workload, responsibilities are unclear etc. My view is that it's not that standards are low and no-one cares, I think it's the latter - there's simply too few people to get everything done to a high standard.
    If that is the case then ultimately it's the responsibility of the CEO - they are in charge of operations and ensuring there are enough people to do the work is key to that. Khaled has talked on numerous occasions in the past about reviewing everything they do and improving it but the evidence indicates that whilst processes might change, like squeezing a half filled balloon, the air pops out somewhere else and so mistakes occur somewhere else. Khaled has failed in consistently improving the operational side of the business and unless his replacement addresses the structure of the business, I believe mistakes will unfortunately continue to happen.
    It's Khaled's responsibility imo and I wouldn't be at all surprised if his departure is partly because he's been challenged by the Board - Neerav and JAQ in particular but they must now take action to address the issue properly. The change of role may help but they surely have to review whether the business can operate effectively let alone grow and progress without further structural change.

    In Collins' further comment: "We had three full debuts (at Valley Parade) and when I came to this club we had a really strong youth academy producing players and I got told it was part of my remit to make sure that pathway's open. You can't have it both ways." - it may be subtle but I found the words "I got told...." interesting. He could've said "we agreed" or "collectively we plan to give youth opportunities when we can" but instead he said "I got told" and it again raises the question for me about whether there's Board interference in team selection in the form of setting specific targets of minutes to be played by youth players. I may be misinterpreting it but it could point to the first cracks in the relationship between Collins and the Board.
     
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    So the manager of the playing squad is accepting no responsibility for selecting a player he sent out on loan and then recalled.
     
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    I think this was more telling, within the article.

    It's quite open-ended as to how much influence is being applied from above with regard to team selection, but the way he's worded this points more towards the quota for academy product first-team minutes, that has previously been discussed on here, rather than a general aim towards developing youth players into first-team players over time.
     
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    You're assuming Collins sent the player (Marsh) out on loan. He might have got told that the player has gone out on loan and had no say in the matter
     
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    Doesn't this all sound like deja vu from the last ten years or so?
    How many more appointments do we have to make, each one potentially ending with a crisis or finger pointing?
     
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    Short version is sounds like the start of throwing Khaled under the bus
     
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    I would expect all managers/head coaches to be told that otherwise there is no need to be running academy/youth teams. Its how it is applied that counts .i.e how many at any one time. Too many at one go and the likelihood is you are out of that competition and that pathway is closed for that season.
     
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    It could equally be the way he phrased it with no thought to the nuances of how it's perceived if analysed with a fine tooth comb.

    If I were Barnsley manager and I'd provided a written piece with regard to the team selection at Bradford, and I wanted to make the point I was under pressure/expectation to include youth players (maybe against my better judgement) then that choice of words makes the point, without being too explicit.

    But if that's a written transcript to a verbal answer to a question at a press briefing then I don't believe the same kind of forensic analysis can be used. We discussed/I got told/It's our policy/we want to progress young players all means the same thing when you're simply giving an off-the-cuff answer to a question and don't intend to include any subtext.

    Without knowing if he was intending to make a point it's not possible to read anything into it. That doesn't mean he wasn't, but equally it could be there's nothing in it.
     
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    Not so much throwing as falling!
     
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    Collins talks a lot about 'attitude'. Probably meaning it needs to improve.
     
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    The article reads as the DoF doesn’t start until next season.
    Wonder if that’s just an error on YP part or we are waiting for Khaled notice period to end.
     
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    Realise this isn't really the point but surely 100% of mistakes are unintentional?

    A deliberate mistake or malicious mistake or however anyone would word it is an oxymoron, because it was therefore intended.
     
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    Feels like another Norwood type interview.
     
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    Taken way out of proportion.All clubs even Premiership clubs gives young talent minutes normally in games where theres less pressure.We have enough issues at the minute without trying to find something thats not there.
     
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    More driving, jumping out whilst still in motion, and running in front of it :D
     
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    Like the bogie man.
     
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    I imagine most sane-minded people agree this was a mistake. I don't think anyone is suggesting it was deliberate. However there is clearly negligence here, and negligence often has accountability and consequence. IMO that's not a witch-hunt, or seeking a scapegoat. It's just reality.

    I'll wait to see what comes out of Monday, however a part of me feels aggrieved that Khaled is just able to tootle off to a new gig with no consequence - presumably on better money, leaving his mess for others to sort out. I realise that's just how it is and not much else can be done about it - but still winds me up.
     
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    I've got a feeling Marc and I may be wrong but it wouldn't surprise me if Kahled as already gone.
     
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    I do college down at the football club saw Khaled run past me today in staff training gear so I can confirm he’s definently still here
     
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    1000 laps as punishment for the FA Cup mishap?
     
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