Ever Get the feeling you’ve been cheated.

I read the telegraph article unlike you with the Jones one.

 

To be an effective leader you need to be both. Blair was exceptionally good at the politics. Starmer is like Corbyn especially bad with poor political instincts.

The Tories imploding under Johnson’s lies gifted Labour the poll lead. All the indications are that’s despite Starmer rather than because of him.

 

[QUOTE="Merde Tete, post: 3216765, member: 6701"
]Interestingly, a client in France said something very similar to me the other week. Macron is seen as being powder puff and ineffective on everything from environmental issues to immigration, so instead of uniting the country, he's actually pushing the centre left and centre right to the more extreme parties. Melanchon's socialists are seen as tried and tested, tired and failed, so the logical next stop for a lot of people is Le Pen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was speaking to some of our French JV partners and that’s their view. Macron’s ineffectiveness has pushed people to the far right. With a Braverman movement on the cards (inside or outside the Tory party) more of the same will take us there.

 

i've defended him before, but I'm not sure I can vote Labour now. Sell out.

 

I just posted this somewhere else, but I grew up hating Thatcher. The stream of vitriol I could use to describe her would make Kathy Burke blush, but she is no longer even in the worst 3 Tory PMs of my lifetime. I'd actually volunteer to dig up her still burning remains to install her back in No 10 in preference to any of the last 3.

 

About sums it up

 

Very accurate.

 

Being Irish I've known coalition governments most of my life. Theoretically I see the appeal and in good times they keep a steady ship, offer continuity and don't have the clout to do anything too radical. Essentially, they are good middle-ground governments which don't lurch from one side to the other and I agree that the UK would hugely benefit from the stability and cross-party work they bring.

On the flip-side, in times of crisis coalitions are often too weak to make meaningful change. You often don't get the strong governance needed to implement bold new ideas as everything tends to get watered down.

That being said, I'm not seeing any bold new ideas from the major parties, so it's much of a muchness really!

 

In other news, here's 'what we could have won '. I'm lost for words watching this.

https://x.com/corbyn_project/status/1731623117804413093?s=20

 

We got this instead.

https://x.com/georgeaylett/status/1730919195221565623?s=61&t=ZE1j6ndDucny8bLNCR9p9g

funny as **** to be fair. Is Starmer that politically inept that he doesn’t think this will be used as a stick to beat him with throughout the election campaign.

 

Sorry, but I'm still laughing at you quoting anything by George Aylett as being vaguely credible. He was part of our CLP before disappearing into (presumably) the abyss of Labour non-membership. For a so-called political student, he's utterly delusional.

You and he might be among the few people who think pledges for an internal party campaign 3 years ago will have any electoral relevance in the slightest. The people still bairning about them are the ones who've already committed to not voting Labour already, and they only care about them as they claim it was the reason why they were somehow 'tricked' into not voting for Long-Bailey at the time.

The amusing thing is that your response to a video where Corbyn is sitting in his son's Hemp cafe while 'interviewing' an Irish rap group called the Kneecappers, one of whom is wearing an Irish tricolore balaclava throughout, and after which they all posed for photo's outside while holding up a Palestinian flag, is to respond with a post about how politically inept Starmer is, by comparison.

I think your claim that Labour won 4 out of 5 of the previous elections had more credibility, to be honest, and that's saying something.

 

Just a link to Labour removing the 10 pledges from their site. The tories and the media will quite rightly hammer the liar each and every day during the election campaign.

Who cares about George Aylett. Lying is unacceptable. You might love liars. Given your attempt to lie about Owen Jones earlier than that isn’t surprising. I voted for Starmer based on his centre left programme so yes unlike you I don’t welcome a right wing austerity driven pro Brexit anti immigrant leader lying to get elected.

Labour won elections in 1964, 1966 and twice in 1974. Heath won the election in 1970. 4 of the 5 elections before Thatcher was elected. Unless you have access to different election results. Happy for you to share them if you do. I guess you have these alternative results to hand so can share straightaway. Unless of course like your wet dream hero you are lying again.

 

Do the maths for me then and show me how the 1964 General Election falls in the last 5 to have been held.

I'll wait.

 

Thatcher stood for election in 1979. She has not stood for election in the last 5 elections most of which she’s been dead for.

Starmer praised her for energising a moribund country. A country that had been run by Labour for most of the intervening 15 years. Winning 4 out of the elections held during that time.

Maths ok for you?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-margaret-thatcher-labour-tory-b2458086.html

Keir wouldn’t want anyone attacking Maggie would he.

 

Don’t be soft. We’ll have a coalition ran by whoever has most seats propped up by powerless Lib Dem’s or northern Irish/Scottish nationalists.

2010-2015 was a Tory government let’s face it. Clegg was as potent and effective as a water pistol in a gunfight.

 

Not really, given that the original quote didn't make any reference to pre-Thatcher, although I notice it's been quietly edited now to suggest that it did.

 

Great speech by SKS this afternoon at the Resolution Foundation. A speech based in realism, not ideological fantasy. This is why he will get Labour elected. I'm getting old now, but this is the worst government to take office in my lifetime, and getting them out is first, last and paramount. Thankfully, the likes of Owen Jones are an irrelevance, baying from the sidelines.

 

we were discussing the comments Starmer made about Thatcher.

So again do you have access to some alternatives election results where Labour did not win the elections in 1964, 1966 and 1974 x2. Or did Labour in fact win 4 of 5 elections prior to keir’s hero changing society?

 

SNP would drive a very hard bargain. I think given the differences in policy one a left leaning nationalist party coming up against a right wing nationalist Labour Party I cannot see them agreeing a coalition.

Irish nationalists definitely won’t engage or attend parliament.

You would hope the LDs have learned their lessons but hard to say.