Collins out

I've just rung Guardiola to tell him I'll be ready for next season if he's got time to turn me into De Bruyne.

 

Its interesting reading about the comments and the comparisons with the 'Val' season. I think some fans want too much though, and will be critical no matter what, and that's unfortunate.
What would we be thinking now if we were playing some great entertaining value for money football. But we were not winning games, and we we're well below mid table (in what is an apparently sh*it League) ?.
I agree that we need a good mix between the two, both winning and entertaining, but how often does this really happen.
As Collins is still getting us the results at the moment, and whether its down to skill or just luck, I find it ridiculous that so many still want him out!.

 

They’re two different things though. We probably conceded more at the same stage last season but clearly had a far better defence then than now. The difference been that we had faith in the defence & played a high pressing style with confidence that the defence could deal with counter attacks.

This season the whole set up is designed to be cautious to put as little pressure as possible on the defence.

 

This is how I see it. Williams is fine in a back 3 alongside say Helik & Anderson but when he’s alongside another lightweight centre back in De Gevigney & a pretty average McCart who are both lacking pace it’s a different story.

 

I don’t think we need to be changing formation at this stage. Just get Pines in for O’Keeffe & move Williams to wing back & it’s hopefully job done.

 

I always think the best example is Klopp at Liverpool. He went in & they were constantly in high scoring games because he was insistent they were playing the high press but he had defenders like Lovren who couldn’t run fast.

As soon as they got defenders in like Van Dijk, Matip & now Konate they were able to play the system & still defend well because they all had pace to recover.

 

No, but I believe we can all grow and improve to some extent.

I played football into my 50s, as my athletic abilities got worse my reading of the game got better.

Every day is a school day.

 

Because you are writing all our players off, simple as that.

 

Only partly true... even the best manager can't make them run faster or jump higher or hit pinpoint passes, there's no chance of improving some players who are incapable of learning... that's why they're lower league footballers.[/QUOTE]

Then why bother with coaching?

Such a negative viewpoint.

 

All I am saying is the truth imo….and is that some players are not good enough, as someone else has posted earlier, theres different standard of players i.e. some are non league and some premier league standard….you cant coach every player to be a world beater….or cant you see that?

 

No, it’s your viewpoint.

Obviously every player is different, but all players can grow, otherwise we wouldn’t need coaches and coaching.

Some don’t improve enough, but we can’t throw all our players away and buy better ones because we don’t have the money.

Another thing that really improves players is being treated with respect. Constantly undermining players will just make them worse.

 

Then why bother with coaching?

Such a negative viewpoint.[/QUOTE]

It's not negative, it's reality. There's room for improvement in some areas in some players, but you can't turn bad players into good ones.

 

It's not negative, it's reality. There's room for improvement in some areas in some players, but you can't turn bad players into good ones.[/QUOTE]

I agree that with Frimpong and Mido we had no chance, but they weren’t bad players, they had bad attitudes.

Take Devante Cole, plenty in here said he was a bad player.

How many of those have we had, terrible players who came hood.

Mads and Kitch were utter dross according to some.

 

Mads was the exception to this. It was a massive testament to his mindset and character that he persevered through that rocky start where he was making costly blunders on a regular basis and had the fans on his back. Ended up being a fan favourite and one of the most positive people on the pitch.

 

I agree that with Frimpong and Mido we had no chance, but they weren’t bad players, they had bad attitudes.

Take Devante Cole, plenty in here said he was a bad player.

How many of those have we had, terrible players who came hood.

Mads and Kitch were utter dross according to some.[/QUOTE]

OK, so if it's possible to coach every player to be world class then Man City with their pick of the crop and, probably, one of the top handful of coaching set ups in world football should turn every one of their youngsters into top stars. But they don't. Football is littered with ex Premier league academy players who haven't made it.
Every player can be improved but only to a certain extent and I'm quite sure the vast majority of City's rejects have good attitudes and mindsets but they will be hampered by such things as lack of pace, lack of speed of thought, lack of ability to read the game.

 

I agree that with Frimpong and Mido we had no chance, but they weren’t bad players, they had bad attitudes.

Take Devante Cole, plenty in here said he was a bad player.

How many of those have we had, terrible players who came hood.

Mads and Kitch were utter dross according to some.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with you... a lot of fans write young players off too quickly.

 

If he's not out of position. (Which I believe he is) The simple fact is. Him and O'Keefe do not compliment one another. O'Keefe tends to move into the middle, ball watching instead of picking up his man out wide. Any opposing manager that does his homework will take advantage of that.

 

That's fair. The other night it worked better with Cotter. Almost like Williams was playing right back and Cotter as a winger when we had the ball.

Not been convinced by O'Keefe at all to be honest, in attack or defence. Personally, I'd prefer to see Williams at RWB, he's better than either Cotter and O'Keefe, and I think it would bring better performances out of Phillips who linked up well with him last season. But I can see why he's playing RCB instead as well.

 

I'd agree to an extent. I'm Unsure as to why lopata hasn't got his place back in central defence.

 

Early contender for worst thread of the year