I hate it. I miss wingers and flair players that make you stand up. We've pigeon holed ourselves into this formation we don't have anyone who can play out wide and skin a man then whip a ball in. I hope we change tac next season.
McAtee, Jalo and Williams all looked to skin players and whip balls in last night, so we do have players capable of doing it. They just don't do it often enough for whatever reason.
Because "the coach " either doesn't let them or doesn't know how to. But which ever way it boils down to man running/training the team. We all know Jordan Williams can do it, we saw it last year but this guy doesn't want to, doesn't know how to or is just plain thick
I wouldn’t say I hate it but I much prefer 4-3-3. I love the way Klopp, Howe & Arteta all play it on the front foot getting after sides.
352 worked during Wilson's first spell but then we had Eaden and Thompson followed by Eaden and Barnard giving the width to the 5 in midfield sadly the current crop aren't anywhere near that quality.
What formation did the Rowdies play? Is this 352 something that's ingrained in Collins and he doesn't know how to coach anything else? Having said that there's got to be a way of doing it better than we do.
I'm 100% with you been crying about for months, it's **** unless you've got top draw wingbacks who've got great stamina 433 defend wide areas of our own box for a change, have width in final 3rd Jalo right side, Mcatee left, Cole central, Phillips and Kane middle let Connell sit
Problem is, the fella who can change it won't do so at this late stage. Head firmly stuck in the sand.....
With hundreds and hundreds of millions spent though bud. We'd be much more exposed, even at this level - though it is also my preference too. Would love to see it. We need a centre back who can win headers when being challenged, especially in a 2, we can't even do it in a 3, so pines or something of his stature definitely needs to be in the side imo
If you look how our centre backs get pulled into the wide areas vacated by the wing backs were only defending central areas with 2 or even 1 at times, at least with a flat back 4 and sitting full backs you've half a chance of stopping crosses and shoehorning teams to go central meaning you've a holding midfielder in connell and 2 centre backs to mop up, you also give yourself a chance to see out a lead with the 2 wide players of the 3 up top who can drop deeper to give you options of a 4141. Just think we need to bin 352 it's not worked and we're getting exposed even more. Need to become solid grind out some results and give ourselves a better opportunity in both boxes, 433 gives that with flexibility to tweak depending on how the game pans out.
Once the subs had been made, McAtee was picking the ball up off the centre halves feet on the half way line. Him and Jalo should have been wide in a changed formation to 4-4-2, or Jalo and Cotter out wide, anyway, there was the opportunity to create wingers last night when it was clear we were going nowhere with 3-5-2, but Collins seems to be unaware of these other mystery formations....
From an article when he was linked with us last summer: From 2020 onward, the Rowdies have most frequently played with three at the back, with wingbacks on either side of a midfield two or three. Long balls to bypass opposition lines are not infrequent, but seem to be a less ideal option generally. When possible, a Collins team will play out of the back and build that way, trying to draw in opposing pressers and then bypass them through the use of a central midfield pivot. This ***** that we are forced to watch week in week out hasn't been forced upon him by our personnel (who some on here think can only play this way despite playing totally different last season), it's his style. Possession at the back tippy tappy. It's the Neil Collins style and if he stays then sadly that does
Makes a lot of sense that mate. Good coaches have different systems to change things around when struggling and to keep the opposition guessing. Planning to play us must be a doddle, we never change a thing.
Indeed, very easy to do homework on us. Evans changed it last night to 433 once we went with 3 up top. Great to have options
Cadden would get slaughtered as a left back in a 4. Our only players really capable of providing any credible width going forward are the full backs. I think we've recruited ourselves into a position where we'd have trouble with many other formations.
So he's always played plan A, never had a plan B. It worked in low level USA soccer, it don't work here. The board need to bite the bullet and accept that as an experiment, it didn't work.
Completely agree. I loved it when we played a 4-4-2 in the Stendel season & had Pinnock & Lindsay on their own on the half way line defending
