Starmer v Sunak

The Tory host didn't allow him to respond to Richy boys lies one of the most biased debates we seen since the last ITV biased debate in 2019 when the same host allowed Johnson free reign. Biased moderation dressed up as incompetent moderation.

 

Agree with that.
Keir not a quick thinker unfortunately. Often looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. His delivery also suffers as a result and he ends up getting tongue-tied.
Not a good look in a TV debate.

 

Sunak was obviously going to come out like an attack dog. He's the equivalent of 5-0 down going into the second leg of a semi final. He needed to try and land some big blows. I am only surprised that anyone thought it wouldn't go like that. But I don't necessarily think Starmer looking by comparison as the steady, more relatable one was a bad thing for him. But Sunak did land some blows and Starmer isn't agile enough to handle them.

Key take aways:

1. The subject of tax was quite illuminating because Starmer didn't really rebuff the £2k claim being made repeatedly and not once did he specifically rebuff the suggestion that pensions will be in Labour's sights. I think it is clear that we can infer from that that there is some truth to the suggestion.

2. Sunak drives me mental with his deceit on the subject of net zero, such as his suggestion that issuing more oil and gas drilling licenses is helping to secure our energy security, when he knows as well as anyone that the oil and gas will be sold on the open market. His rolling back on net zero targets is actively harming investment in this sector in the country. On this issue, I am much more aligned with Labour's position.

3. Starmer in general didn't seem to have many actual policies. Given that he changes his mind on most of them anyway, I really don't have a clue what a Labour government will mean.

I think this one goes down for me as a win for Sunak, but it will make bugger all difference to the outcome.

 

I can't stand either of them, but Starmer was stitched up.

Allowing Sunak to keep on using the £2k line with no response allowed was disgraceful. I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more of that as the campaign contniues.

 

I don't follow any political party, I align with a handful of policies from pretty much all sides of the political spectrum. I keep seeing posts on Facebook from something called Momentum. They appear to be heavily affiliated with the labour party, but any post they put on is sledgehammering Starmer. The latest stuff is about Zultana? Can anyone just give a brief explanation of who Momentum is and what they're attempting to achieve by attacking the leader of their own party?

Genuinely curious, so if anyone can tell me, I'd appreciate it.

*Just going to work, so if anyone does reply, I'm not being rude, TIA.

 

I was amazed watching Look North how the people of Thurnscoe seem to be Tory, I would have thought they’d be hated in all corners even Tory strongholds

 

Momentum is a socialist organisation which seeks to push socialist policies through into the Labour party. They were heavily associated with Jeremy Corbyn's time as Labour leader and many joined Momentum to support him specifically. Since Corbyn has gone the movement has been marginalised by Keir Starmers party. There is friction between the two. Current Labour leadership is concerned that Momentum is too left wing and open to infiltration by Trotskyites and other groups. Momentum thinks the current Labour leadership is stifling socialist voices within the Labour movement. That's the best summary I can provide in a short response. Hope it helps a bit.

 

Communists who, rather then forming their own party, continually try and use the Labour Party as a smoke screen to get elected.

 

My favorite starmer line on immigration was how when he was in charge of the CPS he smashed the gangs and terrorists
sunak never got an answer for his relentless £2000 tax question
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Would they not be better off either supporting him or keeping quiet, get elected and then try to take over the aims of the Labour Party?
Again genuine question as know nothing about them.

 

Possibly because there was nothing to answer to.
Sunak acting on dubious information.

 

No because without the leader being supportive and the NEC, they can’t get their policies implemented.

 

Momentum is a left wing group within Labour and was largely responsible for electing Jeremy Corbyn to be leader. I think that explains their views on Starmer.

 

Surely politics if just a con? How many previous leaders have built up their party/brand by making false promises. All of them are lying/deceiving b******s.

I just don’t see the point in investing any of my time towards any elections and I’m guessing other people in the same age demographic as me agree.

Some may argue well it will only affect our future and to be honest we probably don’t care. It’s easier for us to get up and leave to a different country such as Thailand/Dubai/Australia.

 

Didn't watch it for the same reason I can't watch PM's questions (or pretty much any other debate) - it winds me up too much and I end up shouting at the telly.

 

It sounds like you fell for the "they're all the same" lie. They are not all the same. Sure there are some I don't trust almost all the Tories and quite a few Labour (Wes Streeting for example). But there are many genuine people who go into politics to try to make things better - even Thatcher truly believed she was improving things for the country even though history has proved her wrong.

 

You’ll struggle to leave to the country of Dubai

 

Seems like a similar response to the grammar Nazis, I hope the one or two likes you’ll receive will cheer up your day!

 

Not whilst Starmer is leading maybe?
Just seems they are harming not enhancing Labour's chances

 

14 years of Austerity, Sleaze, filling the pockets of Tory donners with Taxpayers' money then putting them into the House of Lords, p1locking the public into bringing Economic Sanctions on the country with this Tory/far-right Reform Party Brexit. And some people will vote for more of the same,