Mladen

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by Wilmersdorfer Winky, Aug 29, 2024.

  1. Wilmersdorfer Winky

    Wilmersdorfer Winky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,130
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Previously Rotherham_Tyke
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    What experience does he have negotiating player contracts? The only mention of contracts and negotiations on his LinkedIn comes under his role with us.

    I doubt the failures to get signings over the line lie squarely with him, but is this where we’re falling down? Are the club providing him with enough support if he hasn’t much experience in this area?

    We always leave it until the last minute but from the outside looking in this window has been sloppy even by our standards.
     
  2. ed1

    ed12j8w Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2015
    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    591
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Let’s give it one more day before we knock him. As DC says don’t judge the window until it’s closed
     
  3. Wilmersdorfer Winky

    Wilmersdorfer Winky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,130
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Previously Rotherham_Tyke
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    To be clear, I’m not knocking him. The responsibility would lie with those who hired him for the role if this is the case.
     
  4. Bri

    Brian Mahoneys Waist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    7,799
    Likes Received:
    6,917
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    He was part of Leicester Citys recruitment team.Providing data and identifying transfer targets.
     
    Kiz and anstonred like this.
  5. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    27,886
    Likes Received:
    22,409
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Don't disagree, but the problem now is they're under pressure. They could pull some rabbits out the hat, but if they don't I reckon they're going to get some serious hammer. Rightly or wrongly.
     
    WG Red likes this.
  6. Wilmersdorfer Winky

    Wilmersdorfer Winky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,130
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Previously Rotherham_Tyke
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    But I doubt that role included much if any active involvement in negotiations and getting deals over the line.
     
  7. ed1

    ed12j8w Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2015
    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    591
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    How do you know that though? - have you work in a football recruitment department?
     
  8. Brewery stand

    Brewery stand Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2017
    Messages:
    298
    Likes Received:
    268
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Real Estate
    Location:
    USA
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    From my understanding clubs want to hold onto their players until, they have a replacement or the highest and best offer comes in. I don`t think it;s anything that we're doing specifically wrong, it's just the movement in the market is slow. Maybe DKD coming from Mansfield hypothetically, maybe they're waiting on a replacement to confirm before they can let him go, the club their replacement is coming from is also waiting on confirmation on another player. Lots of moving parts that have to come together is what I`m thinking. Sure, Rotherham did a lot of business early on and sit in the bottom 4 with no goals scored in 3 games. Just because our window has been slow it doesn't necessarily mean it's worse than Rotherham's, if that makes sense?
     
    BobT, Basstyke, SCRed and 1 other person like this.
  9. Wilmersdorfer Winky

    Wilmersdorfer Winky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,130
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Previously Rotherham_Tyke
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Because Leicester City are a big football club with a lot of resources, especially at that time. There’s no way on earth that the person chiefly responsible for analysing and identifying targets is also responsible for getting those deals over the line. That won’t even be the case at our club right now. They’re two completely different skillsets. Some people will have both. Mladen might be one of them, but if he has no experience of negotiations and contracts then he will naturally make mistakes as we all do when learning something new.

    Again, I’m not knocking him.
     
    Kiz likes this.
  10. Wilmersdorfer Winky

    Wilmersdorfer Winky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,130
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Previously Rotherham_Tyke
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    And in answer to the second question, no but a good friend of mine does at Brighton. I also work with much higher profile talent/celebrities in my line of work and the same principle applies there too - the ones identifying are rarely the ones negotiating with agents.
     
    Kiz likes this.
  11. Men

    Menai Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,910
    Likes Received:
    6,712
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Earth
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Hence why I’m surprised once again we are trying to do our business at the wrong end of the window.
     
  12. ronnieGlavinsB@stardSon

    ronnieGlavinsB@stardSon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2012
    Messages:
    2,846
    Likes Received:
    3,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Style:
    Barnsley
    I disagree to an extent. The Director of Football/Sporting Director need to front up and take responsibility for this transfer window as it's their job to do recruitment (including negotiations). If that is beyond their capabilities then we need to find someone who can. If that happens then the board/owners need to review how they recruited for the role and I would be concerned at their own competency in doing so again.

    Having said that, I'll hold judgement until the window closes.
     
  13. Deafening Silence

    Deafening Silence Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2021
    Messages:
    6,388
    Likes Received:
    8,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The Sporting Director has a finite budget to work with. It's not his money. If he can't bring in the players DC wants within the financial envelope available, it isn't his fault.
     
  14. ronnieGlavinsB@stardSon

    ronnieGlavinsB@stardSon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2012
    Messages:
    2,846
    Likes Received:
    3,988
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Style:
    Barnsley
    It's his job to manage the budget accordingly and ensure the squad is balanced.
     
  15. Deafening Silence

    Deafening Silence Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2021
    Messages:
    6,388
    Likes Received:
    8,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    As a budget holder myself, I told my organisation last year that we needed to spend 12,7million in my area. I got told I could have 7.5m,
    I will not held accountable if something out of my original recommnedation fall due,
     
  16. onemickybutler

    onemickybutler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2007
    Messages:
    8,281
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Squad balanced? He’s got a lot to do in 24 hours for sure.
     
  17. Journo Tyke

    Journo Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    13,950
    Likes Received:
    1,001
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Mortgage and Protection Advisor
    Location:
    People's republic of Yorkshire
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    Well if they don't, then it will absolutely be rightly. If they do, I reckon it'll be more out of luck than judgement. Not hopeful at all.
     
  18. onemickybutler

    onemickybutler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2007
    Messages:
    8,281
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Me neither. We’re 24 hours and counting after needing 2 strikers for the best part of 3 months. He’s under massive pressure now. Last minute panic stuff…..yet again.
     
    Journo Tyke likes this.
  19. Stephen Dawson

    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2018
    Messages:
    34,268
    Likes Received:
    29,629
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Excellent post. Folly otherwise.
     
    Tyke The Tree-Frog likes this.
  20. Red

    Reds Fan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2015
    Messages:
    2,103
    Likes Received:
    2,877
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I watched Gary Neville recently talk about his experiences owning Salford and said he found recruitment was the hardest thing owning an EFL club. He said lots of clubs at L1 and L2 level were finding it harder and harder to get deals over the line. One thing he said really helped was personal connections and good relationships within the game.

    Although I’ve enjoyed Mladen’s interviews I’ve been concerned from day one that he didn’t seem to have the experience and connections throughout the game like an older ex manager or player would have. Always seemed more of a spreadsheet appointment than a proper football man.

    but he’s got the next few hours to prove us wrong! I wish him well.
     

Share This Page