Monk Bretton incident

Both us and America have a big drug problem I always find that breeds violence.

Compare the u.k and Americas crime rate to dubai.

 

We have proportionally fewer fatal stabbings than the UAE.

 

The crime rate in dubai is far lower than England or America. For violent crime and just in general.

 

So do you suggest we adopt sharia law? I thought you'd have been against that.

 

The other bloke quotes that the figures here are better than America as if that's something to be proud of. America has had a gang and drug problem for years. I just quoted a country that doesn't have that drug and gang problem for perspective.
I just think we need to get tougher on knife crime it's been rising for years and the softly softly approach doesn't work.

 

Then why refer to Dubai when the UAE has a worse rate of stabbing deaths?

 

What if you were going to a game of Stretch?

 

Or Chicken .

 

You can’t wait to bait @redrum can you

 

It would keep those pesky women in line.

 

To be fair though, if I'd been recently banned from here (which I suspect he has been given it says 'banned idiot' still next to his name), I'd be giving this subject a wide berth to be on the safe side.

Maybe there's more than one person doing the baiting here?

 

A work colleague had a son who was on a culinary course and had to take his knives every day on the bus. In a case of course.

 

Whichever way you look at it this is a tragic event. As I grew up in a tough Wombwell, the use of a weapon of any type was viewed as cowardice. It seems that every day brings another knife crime in the news. Most of the crime seems to be drug related with addicts desperate for their next fix, or pushers in territory wars. It’s time for a grown up discussion on drugs. I’m not saying that the Monk Bretton incident was drug related, because I don’t know what the motive was, but it seems to me to be too easy for criminals to take a life.

 

So the guy is saying there’s a knife problem in this country and tougher sanctions should be in place but he should give this subject a wide berth……….?

Have a nice day TM x

 

The real problem imo is there’s a lack or respect, respect for the police, respect for the law, respect for each other but more importantly respect for themselves……..

 

I meant entering into debates on here about other cultures, especially Asian ones, as clearly he can't without getting banned at the moment. Just common sense isn't it?

You too sweet cheeks

 

I think there has been a breakdown of trust between the police / lawmakers / courts and the people. This has reduced the amount of respect for law and order generally. We see now people locked up for posting tweets that may carry some offensive comment but physical harm and loss of material things may not even get investigated. Reduced number of police on the streets has reduced confidence and trust. The old fashioned bobby has been replaced by a crime reference number. We fund a regional commissioner instead of feet on the street and then when the council tax increases to justify this role while in the same period only 50% of reported crimes in our area have actually been investigated we wonder why crime is increasing. We have a system that automatically reduces sentences to 1/3 before anyone even gets to prison and when they do get there they live a life with services available much better than many pensioners or homeless people. I do believe there is a two tier policing system and seems that the press also report on incidents in a two tiered way which builds the propaganda. Do i think education and upbringing has a role to play, absolutely yes, but on its own it doesnt work unless the deterents and punishments match the crimes.

 

Great post

 

Yet peculiarly not in our house where the kids have been brought up with those values as have all their friends with what I've witnessed. One of the main problems is just a complete lack of deterrent. The law in this country is just too soft and everyone knows this.

 

Respect comes from all quarters. There was a saying that you have to earn respect, I’m not sure if that’s a ‘one size fits all’ type of scenario. What I do know is that growing up, when you got into a bit of mischief, be it fighting, playing the fool or whatever, you knew they’d be consequences and someone would inform your parents at some point. We didn’t chelp back at adults who were bollocking us. However, times change and so does society, and we are all responsible for that to some extent. The mistrust and lack of respect for police is largely down to politicising them and for their own institutionalised shortcommings. We have all to often concentrated on addressing the outcome of a problem and not looked at what has caused it. The inner city riots, the steelworkers and miners strikes, all examples of Govt demonising and abandoning, sections of society and then using police and introducing legislation to deal with the consequences. I do not condone criminal behaviour of any kind, but to suggest that lack of respect for society, police etc is just down to these perpetrators is way off the mark