NMW

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by Gordon Owen, Oct 29, 2024.

  1. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2009
    Messages:
    20,679
    Likes Received:
    10,770
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Tarn, sithi
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
  2. Abruzzo Red

    Abruzzo Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    5,016
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Formerly Gosport Tyke, 2013 - 2022
    Location:
    Vestea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Great news for those receiving it.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  3. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    57,713
    Likes Received:
    24,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    DB3K Towers
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Bad new for businesses that are already struggling and now have another rise forced on them. It could make a lot of places cut staff hours or stop advertising.

    It will still be well below Real Living Wage that was announced last Wednesday as rising to £12.60.
     
  4. Austiniho

    Austiniho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,929
    Likes Received:
    3,993
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, these coupled with extra tax increases for businesses will see a few small businesses close….
     
    redrum and lk311 like this.
  5. icer

    icer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2012
    Messages:
    6,050
    Likes Received:
    3,845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Im not sure this gov has figured out yet that giving to one pocket while taking from another actually doesn't drive the economic growth, doesn't reduce any gov deficit or positively serves the people. Bars and Restaurants are closing at a rapid rate of knots, im sure other smaller business likewise. Im still awaiting to see what the big tickets are that drive ecomonic growth. The bus cap, OAP heating allowance and EV road tax certainly doesn't. I have been disappointed with the Labour approach so far, but serious question, are there any positives that this gov has introduced so far that make an impact? Have I missed something?
     
  6. pompey_red

    pompey_red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2005
    Messages:
    13,465
    Likes Received:
    9,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Fareham
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    Help the needy. Tax the rich

    good on em!
     
  7. Abruzzo Red

    Abruzzo Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    5,016
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Formerly Gosport Tyke, 2013 - 2022
    Location:
    Vestea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    People should be paid a wage that they can live on, for far too long businesses have got away with paying low wages because the minimum wage says they can. Why shouldn’t they be given a pay rise like everyone else, they still have cost of living issues and even more so on such a low income.
     
  8. Sup

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    54,454
    Likes Received:
    28,303
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Except the rich aren't the only ones running small local businesses.

    Constantly raising the minimum wage without addressing the factors that are driving it up is folly.

    Raise the minimum wage, cost of goods and services goes up (1 because some businesses know they can as people now have more money and 2 because others have to to cover the costs). Costs of goods and businesses goes up and guess what? Yep minimum wage goes up.

    The key expenses need capping, not the minimum wage rising.
     
  9. AthersleyRed

    AthersleyRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2011
    Messages:
    5,486
    Likes Received:
    3,619
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    A 2 parent family with just 1 child cannot afford to live on the current MW at 40 hours a week, without UC supplementing it. It's just not possible. These companies love UC though, it means they can pay workers well below what their work is worth and get away with it.
     
    Redhelen, anstonred, Snaptin and 2 others like this.
  10. Sup

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    54,454
    Likes Received:
    28,303
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I can live on £2 an hour if the costs are kept low or you can pay me £100 an hour and charge me £200 for a tin of beans and im skint.
     
  11. Abruzzo Red

    Abruzzo Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    5,016
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Formerly Gosport Tyke, 2013 - 2022
    Location:
    Vestea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Can I have that in English please.
     
  12. troff

    troff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    9,907
    Likes Received:
    13,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    donny
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I can guarantee not one person who is criticising this increase to NMW is on anything like that rate of pay.

    This about killing small businesses might have some merit - but the fact is that businesses big and small have been propped up for years by being allowed to pay a wage people can’t live on, due to the government topping up pay of even full time workers with universal credit and working tax credits prior to that.

    If they can’t afford to pay workers enough to afford an even a minimal standard of living, then their business was never properly viable.

    Larger businesses have turned over millions in profit and directors earned millions in dividends due to deflated wages being topped up by tax payer funds.

    The national insurance hike will affect me personally as I have to pay my own employers contribution as a contractor using an umbrella. But I accept that something has to give.

    Funds have to be sought somewhere.
     
    anstonred, savemyday, RichK and 6 others like this.
  13. Sup

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    54,454
    Likes Received:
    28,303
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Incorrect I'm afraid.

    Raising nmw rather than addressing the causes of poverty has always been something I've been against. It's nothing more than a sticking plaster.
     
    Austiniho likes this.
  14. Sup

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    54,454
    Likes Received:
    28,303
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Which part are you struggling with? Was it the one misspelling of and due to the s and d being next to each other?
     
  15. Austiniho

    Austiniho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,929
    Likes Received:
    3,993
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nice rant, but you’re not realising that the businesses that are closing are the small independents who can’t keep up with the big conglomerates. Especially when faced with the extra taxes that are expected in the budget. Not all business owners are rich. Many will close and then there will be no wage. But Amazon, EBay, Evri, etc will be ok paying their minimum taxes.

    The wage is not the problem, the rampant cost of living is. These costs will always be passed down to the consumer. So their net income will remain the same. But our chance of competing with other countries will diminish due to our high costs.
     
    lk311 and SuperTyke like this.
  16. joh

    john coucom Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2017
    Messages:
    2,431
    Likes Received:
    1,798
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It’s a 7% increase yet trains drivers get nearly 22% on an average pay of£40k per annum
     
  17. Austiniho

    Austiniho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,929
    Likes Received:
    3,993
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Big businesses will still get the bonuses. The national insurance “hike” will see the end to a lot of small local shops, restaurants and bars… but who cares about those workers? We all can order it from Amazon anyway. The minimum wage for those made redundant will be less when they’re on the dole after these non-viable businesses fold.
     
  18. Abruzzo Red

    Abruzzo Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    5,016
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Formerly Gosport Tyke, 2013 - 2022
    Location:
    Vestea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Have you just said tax rises expected in the budget? Stop reading the Daily Heil. Leaving the EU was our chance to trade and compete with other countries. I agree about big comps paying their fair share of taxes, would they increase the wages, would they ****
     
  19. Abruzzo Red

    Abruzzo Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    5,016
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Formerly Gosport Tyke, 2013 - 2022
    Location:
    Vestea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    exactly this
     
  20. Abruzzo Red

    Abruzzo Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    5,016
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Formerly Gosport Tyke, 2013 - 2022
    Location:
    Vestea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    All of it! Do you think that increasing the NMW is going to put businesses out of action? What about the energy price increase, fuel costs and also big companies taking the pi$$ by increasing costs just to please their shareholders and their return? I am still waiting for someone to explain how a simple tin of beans ca n range from 25p to £1.50, but hey ho, blame the NMW increase
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2024
    anstonred likes this.

Share This Page