US Election

Trump was literally Epstein's best friend and went to his island multiple times.

 

Where did I say sex changes at school? I didn't mean that in a literal sense. Sex changes, hormones, or whatever I think should be completely illegal before you are legally an adult as you are still growing and learning at that point and could definitely regret something permanent down the line- https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb

 

First off, fair play for listing your reasons on why you voted for Trump, i think everyone should respect everyone elses right to vote and accept the results of the vote.

I take particular issue with points 3 and 4 if you could explain further. I don't think Starmer or Harris is in the game to jail people who simply say the wrong thing, could you give us examples of when that's happened under Starmers tenure here?

number 4, do you have any proof of this getting pushed in high schools to the point of which you're referring to?

 

See this is the problem. Rational thought and assessment is lost because of partisanship. Trump and his acolytes have talked some absolute gibberish. So them simply saying its not true holds no sway at all. Multiple people who were on his staff and in his inner circle have said some very serious things about him. Are they all wrong? It's not coming from opponents... they are his people.

He's a liar, a cheat, a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a fraud. If you're not capable of seeing that, and you think this is a lesser evil... well, that's on you and nobody else.

 

No he hasn't. You clearly haven't read it. Go back and read the E Jean Carroll case properly - which you correctly pointed out to be a civil case, where, as you well know, the burden of proof is significantly different - and come back again if you still think the jurors found him to be liable for rape.

 

Strange. I was quoting Kelly’s words – his assessment of Trump. Not what you refer to here which is the exchange about admiring Hitler.

Of course the campaign adviser can deny the ‘Hitler exchange’. But he can’t deny Kelly’s own words about Trump fitting the definition of fascism. Kelly said that. Publicly.

 

Do you genuinely beleive he's not a serial sex offender? When he's on a recording bragging about it, has very close ties to Epstein, has been accused by countless women over the decades. Can you honestly say you don't think he's a sex offender?

 

You've linked an article that literally clearly states he was not found liable for rape by the jurors, in a civil case.

I think he's a terrible person. I also think your angry, ad hominem attacks on some reasons King Benny has given for voting Republican are typical of the modern left. Issues not addressed, just "orange man bad". You people can't cope when individuals might have voted a different way for reasons that don't fall into your wide bucket of fascism.

 

"He's a liar, a cheat, a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a fraud. If you're not capable of seeing that, and you think this is a lesser evil... well, that's on you and nobody else.[/QUOTE]"

Liar, cheat, misogynist- sure- sounds like every single politician at times to me on both sides. If you're going to tar Trump with that surely you can see the same about the other side? Kamala Harris flip flopping and lying at every opportunity, Joe Biden's son and essentially laundering money through Ukraine; is that all okay then? Or if I voted for that side would I be alright to you then?

Racist? What has he ever done that is racist? I genuinely would like to know, everyone just point to some of his nutter followers without actually telling me what he has done or said.

Rapist- "No he hasn't. You clearly haven't read it. Go back and read the E Jean Carroll case properly - which you correctly pointed out to be a civil case, where, as yuou well know, the burden of proof is significantly different - and come back again if you still think the jurors found him to be liable for rape." Tyketical Masterstroke but it nicely here

 

let me find an article mate, losing track of replies! But yeah drag shows and "normalizing" trans is definitely happening. People are wary over here of where their kids are going to school and what they are being exposed to at early ages

 

No one wants to accept the things you are saying though most are true. Unfortunately the progressive left in America isn't really interested in fiscal equality, just endless gender equality, because most of them pushing this come from comfortable backgrounds, went to university paid for my mummy and daddy. They think its more important that the culture war is won rather then worry about the pounding people took from the high inflation. Well, unfortunately, or fortunately, they have well and truly lost the culture war - there is a limit to what people will put up with especially when they're feeling poorer, like it or not 1/3 of BAME voters voted Trump - what does that tell you? I don't think some people will ever get it,

 

https://nypost.com/2021/12/22/how-p...young-kids-with-harmful-transgender-ideology/

 

Nail on the head. There are plenty of Black, Latino, Gay, and other Trump voters, it's not just "white men" as the media would have you believe.

 

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Liar, cheat, misogynist- sure- sounds like every single politician at times to me on both sides. If you're going to tar Trump with that surely you can see the same about the other side? Kamala Harris flip flopping and lying at every opportunity, Joe Biden's son and essentially laundering money through Ukraine; is that all okay then? Or if I voted for that side would I be alright to you then?

Racist? What has he ever done that is racist? I genuinely would like to know, everyone just point to some of his nutter followers without actually telling me what he has done or said.

Rapist- "No he hasn't. You clearly haven't read it. Go back and read the E Jean Carroll case properly - which you correctly pointed out to be a civil case, where, as yuou well know, the burden of proof is significantly different - and come back again if you still think the jurors found him to be liable for rape." Tyketical Masterstroke but it nicely here[/QUOTE]

Another lazy trope to justify your stance. "They are all the same." Nobody is the same as Trump. He's so far removed from any form of "moderate" decency. And it's irrelevant what anyone replies to you. Nobody will change your mind and you'll defend it. Which is fine. It's your right. If you're happy voting for such a vile man who is unfit to be employed, let alone be president, a liar, a cheat, a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a fraud... nobody can change that. But please, don't pretend you're moderate, because the views you've expressed are more in the realm of hard right that centrist moderate.

 

"They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats," Trump said during an answer to a question about immigration. "They're eating the pets of the people that live there, and this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame."

Racist or a bit of fun?

 

And Harris and co were talking about banning Twitter/X or censoring what was going through there.

As far as Starmer goes, loads of people got sent to jail for tweets. Including one person who got 3 years who was rattling on about the Southport killer being a "muslim." Whether you like a comment or not I think its a very dangerous precedent to set.

 

For a Trump supporter he may actually BE moderate. Which is even more frightening.

 

Another lazy trope to justify your stance. "They are all the same." Nobody is the same as Trump. He's so far removed from any form of "moderate" decency. And it's irrelevant what anyone replies to you. Nobody will change your mind and you'll defend it. Which is fine. It's your right. If you're happy voting for such a vile man who is unfit to be employed, let alone be president, a liar, a cheat, a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a fraud... nobody can change that. But please, don't pretend you're moderate, because the views you've expressed are more in the realm of hard right that centrist moderate.[/QUOTE]

You haven't actually responded to anything with substance or any of my actual points in my initial post. Let me be clear- I don't like any politicians I think they are all corrupt snakes; so all I can go off is who I think will be better (or less worse) for the country- in my opinion Trump's policies are better, simple as that

 

Because they insighted racial hatred which is a criminal offence and spread lies and misinformation. If you weren't aware, we had riots on the streets for days causing damage and creating fear until they started charging and convicting these vile people.

As I say, moderate. Me thinks not.

 

Seems like anyone who supports trump doesn't actually say they agree with his rhetoric, they just tie themselves up in whataboutery.