I'm not bothered what gender anyone is. I'm on here to chat and read about football and maybe have a giggle. Personally, I just find it bizarre to hold a poll on the subject.
It just came about because a thread I was contributing in had someone (completely innocently) refer to everyone there as blokes. I made a joke and someone speculated if there were possibly more women around that people hadn’t realised. It’s just a lighthearted musing, there’s been posts about all sorts over the years and this doesn’t come in even the top 1000 in terms of bizarreness. Anyway, hello to the other woman who voted (and to Helen too of course)!
In general id agree. I'd never refer to you or anyone else as a cis woman in general conversation but I think in a poll where the option is basically trans woman or cis woman then it kinda is appropriate isn't it?
Btw, I know we have trans identifying people on the board and I truly don't wish to upset them. First and foremost we are all humans and that's what's important. I just really struggle because the parts that make me feel specifically female rather than human are things that males don't go through. And until I did go through them I could never have imagined how it would be. Anyway , we're all unequivocally red in here so for today COYR!
I thought this thread would throw up some controversy and insults when I saw it. And just if any of you are wondering my birth sex is my own business although I do now identify as a duck. p.s. I'll get insulted now for trying to have a joke.
On the subject. I have a relative who has decided their (wife and Husband although I get the impression he just has to go with it) new born daughter is non binary. Am I missing summat. I thought that would be the child's decision. When old enough to decide. Why should anyone be wrong In saying her or she in conversation.
Back in the day it was more a gender neutral thing which I think is great. No pink for girls, let a kid dress, play with and be what they want to be. Is their name gender neutral ?
If you mean that other people shouldn't enforce their views about gender on you or anyone else I totally agree with you. Some people do try and do that though as you've suggested.
I don't understand why anyone has trouble with cis being used in this way. Nobody is taking anything away from you. You'll still be referred to as male or female in conversation... obviously! It's specifically used in this case to distinguish between people who were born male/ female and people who identify as male/ female. Those people exist, whether you think their choice should be respected or not. So if you want to know if people were born male, this is a good way to do it. It's non-controversial.
As I alluded to earlier in this thread, my understanding (and I'm happy to be corrected if that's incorrect) is that it is needed if one is trying to distinguish between cis females and transgender females, both of which groups might say "I'm female". As they're separate options in the poll, the phrase "I'm female" doesn't contain enough information to uniquely identify which option applies. Which is fine of course, if one doesn't want to answer the question, but that's not the same thing as saying that "I'm female" does answer the question.
Quite correct (as other posters have suggested as well). That's why the op framed it as he? did. The problem comes I think when people say 'I dont want to use that term' because they wouldn't use it in day to day speech. It seems cold and technical I suppose. Trouble is they then get criticised for not being open-minded or tolerant when they probably are. The bottom line is people get very sensitive about this whole topic and if the wrong phraseology is used, even innocently, some people get offended. There should be a bit more tolerance, understanding and polite education instead of knee-jerk insults. I'm a male. I'm also a cis male. My sex is still my own business and my gender is still my own business even though I've just answered the poll question because its only me that lives in my body.
Indeed, I think context is key here. In the context of the poll, it's a reasonable distinction to make. In the context of day-to-day conversation, it's hard to see how it wouldn't be intrusive.
Unfortunately or fortunately we are the product of our evolution. One of the aspects of this is social hierarchy. In the course of our brains evolution we moved away from determining hierarchy through physical violence inside our tribes to one of influence through symbols and perceived reputation. Fast forward to today and in the Internet age. In order to establish our position in the hierarchy of social media it is vital to either be successful or virtuous. It is literally bred into us to copy/flatter/conform. If you do not conform, then you are rejected and ostracised - even killed - as would happen in pre-industrial tribes. You’re unwillingness to recognise this reputation game is heretical and thus invites a kind of symbolic “burn the witch” response - a necessary response by those who are seeking the symbolic prestige of the game.
Tbh they initially corrected anyone who said she/her. But im guessing they were on a loser, so keep sctum.