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  1. man

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    Around 10,500 or 12% of our prison population is foreign nationals. We'd have a lot more space available for our own people if governments tackled it to get every last one of them sent back to their homeland. Once you do a crime in a foreign country that should be your chances of staying there gone forever.
     
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    It's a short term fix to release sex offenders, domestic abusers and violent prisoners early. I'd hazard a guess many will reoffend fast. Obviously it's the last government's fault. A new prison has just been opened in York this year but when the population is growing the infustucture needs to follow.
     
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    Nothing mentioned about the halving of net migration. I’m shocked. I thought that would be welcomed by the rump of reformers on here.
     
  5. man

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    So why are you blaming "Starmer's Britain" if you recognise it's the last government's fault?
     
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    I think the issue is quite clear over 14 years they added 455 prison places while at the same time extending sentences.

    In comparison to the Labour government before them who created almost 30,000 places and this one that has already created 2700 with more planned.

    Record low levels of justice for victims of crime over the same 14 year period really does make you wonder what they were actually doing.

    It's a similar story in the NHS or transport or pretty much anything they got their hands on...
     
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    Prisoners released early from their sentence due to overcrowding - caused by years of Tory mismanagement and underinvestment; and under the advice / instruction of a Tory Lord Chancellor - Starmer’s Britain! Fuming! Boooooooo!

    Gets a grown up deal over the line with the eu, his government stand up to Israeli barbarity, and net migration HALVES in the previous twelve months - ………

    <a tumbleweed blows past>
     
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    Haven't they just built a new one in York with over 1300 cells? That was started under the Tories. I know it's no where near enough when the population us growing but the figures you quoted aren't true.
     
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    Tounge in cheek but releasing dangerous criminals early isn't a good look.
     
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    What's your alternative, given that there isn't room to keep them longer and still deal with new cases?
     
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    Put them on planes to Rwanda.
     
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    If it’s a child sex offender then I’d be looking at;
    • Wellies
    • Concrete
    • North Sea
     
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    No that's the only alternative obviously. I always thought prison was supposed to be a deterrent for criminals and a punishment and give some justice to victims it's turning into none.
     
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    I don't think any criminal thinks, "Oh, I'll only get 4 months instead of 6, so I'll go out and do another burglary." It's the clang of the prison gates that's the deterrent. I can see that victims would not be pleased though. What would potentially make a difference would be more speedily dealing with remand prisoners, and getting them to trial quicker. It was reported yesterday that 17,000 of the prison population are on remand (before trial).
     
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    I still think my alternative is better.
     
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    One third of a sentence like proposed would be like getting a year and half and doing 6 months. Not 4 months instead of 6. Seems very lenient.
     
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    7 years for murder!
     
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    Maybe that's a signal that the current system doesn't work and we should reform it so as to try and rehabilitate prisoners and lower reoffending.

    I can't believe people are actually suggesting longer sentences as the solution to overcrowding.
     
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    Reopen York dungeons.
     
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    It's great giving short sentences and the softly softly approach until your a victim of crime.
     

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