If I criticise America am I criticising Christianity? Am I Christianophobic?

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    If I slag off Iran for it's military action am I islamophobic?

    I don't believe so. I believe there is a difference between hating a country for it's actions and the religion that the majority of it's population observes.

    So why is it that if anyone dares to criticise Israel they are automatically deemed to be anti-Semitic?

    The IDF is the genocidal militants of the state of Israel. It is perfectly reasonable to hate them without that automatically meaning that you hate Jews yet our government refuses to separate the two. Our state sponsored media refuses to separate the two.

    Why?
     
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    Simple the Third Reich and it's slaughter of 6 million Jews and the very successful use of this terrible period in human history to excuse everything the Jewish state does by Jewish leaders throughout the period since the end of WW2
     
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    Because it immediately breaks down the narrative that the Israeli state can do no wrong because of the horrors of WW2.
     
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    The issue is that Israel, and its supporters in Western governments, deliberately conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism to shield a violent apartheid regime from scrutiny. They are truly selfish, despicable individuals without shame.

    My opposing the evil Zionist regime and its actions doesn’t mean I dislike Jewish people.

    This horrendous government is full of ministers who’ve taken huge sums from pro-Israel lobby groups. They’re basically bribed.

    None of this is about protecting communities from hate — it’s about protecting power, profits, and impunity. Because they are selfish, horrible cüñțş.

    Vote Green.
     
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    Zionism and Judaism are 2 very different things' zionism is an extremist ideology that has somehow managed to attach itself to the jewish religion and by doing so legitimises its extremism in very much the same way that isis did with islam . The massive difference with zionism is that they've also managed to infiltrate world governments none more so than ours and have a very unhealthy power within them.
     
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    I see the Mail have put on the front of their paper that he chanted ‘death to Israeli’s’ when he obviously chanted death to the IDF.

    If anyone would’ve chanted death to the Russian army or death to the Iraqi, Afghanistani, Syrian or any other army that has committed atrocities over the years then they wouldn’t change it like that.

    There also wouldn’t be an outcry from every right wing gammon about it either.
     
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    Something to do with the Nazis possibly?

    I totally get what you're saying and agree 100%. I also believe that the "anti-semitism" in the Labour party wasn't anti-semitism but anti-Israel.

    Also being pro-Palestine is not anti-semitic, because (probably unknown to most people from outside that region), Palestinians are also Semites, not just the Jewish people.
     
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    Sir Robbie Gibb
     
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    Deep self analysis often leads to self judgement and depression. Ask yourself, apart from me, who gives a s***. Then judge yourself kindly, be good to yourself and have a drink.
     
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    See here:

    https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/
     
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    It's no wonder they feared Corbyn taking a wrecking ball to the way party donations were made.

    The question though is whether they were being paid for something they agreed with already, or whether they were paid to believe as they were told.
     
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    Does the thread title mean you are scared of Ronaldo ?
     
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    For 80 years Israel’s neighbours have wished them death, trained their young to hate them, started numerous wars, and in times of peace sent militants to rape and murder the innocent.

    I can’t imagine what that feels like, but I challenge anyone to live with it and always be expected to turn the other cheek.
     
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    When you say neighbours do you mean the country which Israel has illegally occupied for many years? I wonder why they wish their invaders dead.


    Anyway regardless of that. Do you accept that there is a difference between anti-Semitism and anti Israeli genocide?
     
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    To be fair most defenders were
     
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    The fundamental problem with Israel is the imposition of the state of Israel on the Middle East with little or no regard for the people living there then. I don't think many would begrudge the millions of displaced Jews in Europe being given a land to call their own, but what happened was not a fair and equitable solution in the eyes of the residents of that land and the surrounding nations at the time. Add to that the bigotry and hatred which is fostered by religion - particularly those religions which originated in that part of the world (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and what you have is a recipe for never ending conflict.

    Guess what we have?
     
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    What an odd take.
     
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    When I was recently pointing out the manic tendencies of the leadership in Iran, your "translation" of my post was " Iran are muslims. muslims badddd"

    In other words you couldn't draw a distinction between country and religion. And wanted to try and paint me as some sort of racist. So, "If I slag off Iran for it's military action am I islamophobic?"

    I don't believe so. You might not believe so this week . But you did last week.
     
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    It’s ok to kill people in a music festival , rape women , kill babes etc . Should not the Jews have a country of their own and anybody who says it’s not there country they have live there and it can traced back 1000s of years . Hamas does not want compromise it what’s all Jews died so what do you expect Israel to do
     
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    They were terrified of Corbyn hence the monumental character assassination inflicted on him. Zionists like Trevor chinn knew he couldn't be bought in the way that Starmer and his front bench have been.
     

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