Whilst I believe the actions of the IDF amount to terrorism, I didn't think it wise to shout 'death to the IDF'. Couldn't fault the rest of what was said. But you're right. It's ok to claim free speech, and have a go at the 'woke left' if you're spewing right-wing hate. As soon as the left fire back, it's antisemitic and censored, with criminal action demanded. There's an absolutely horrendous journalist called Dan Hodges. Horrid bloke. He's currently demanding action against Vylan etc, saying it's a direct call for violence for which consequences should follow. The same Hodges who when Corbyn was leader of Labour, wrote a Daily Heil column with the title 'Labour MUST Kill Vampire Corbyn'. Until enough people open their eyes, and rise up, I think you're spot on - it'll only get worse. Much, much worse.
I'm very aware of the vile Dan Hodges. Incredibly a Labour member, twice. Though I've long suspected the right wing overlords have deployed disruptors into their competitors infrastructure for quite a long time now, similar how the very far right signed up to be tory members to sway leadership elections . Anyone who can vote for DePfeffel Johnson and consider him a "unifying force" is not someone to be taken seriously. But there are sadly many of his ilk. And many 'experts' who have come from nowhere but reside regularly on our TV screens. I read an excellent article (as always) by George Monbiot the other day about a village near Bridport, Dorset which has been bought by a private equity group on behalf of an unnamed wealthy client that is now evicting the villagers. (Link below) An entire village in Dorset is facing eviction – proof that private money holds all the power in rural England | George Monbiot | The Guardian I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else in the media. Could you imagine the headlines if a handful of muslin migrants were homed in a small village near Bridport instead?
This would be all well and good if you weren't the smug and superior London loving purveyor of posts such as "are people denying Barnsley is a shithole?" Perhaps you're a right wing overlord spreading disruption in non "edgy Bohemian" (in your words, the places you like) areas. I suppose this is the only board where you find people with such short memories about what you actually think about the town and its people. Your words again - "My last 5 dialogues with locals I didn’t know in Barnsley have resulted in racist bigoted xenophobic views that I didn’t ask for or welcome." Really? So perhaps Barnsley's occupants should be evicted too. I'd be careful about calling anyone vile, just in case the whole thread where you tried to eviscerate Barnsley gets re-posted. Dan Hodges has no political (or any) insight whatsoever btw. Even a racist bigoted xenophobe living in a shithole would know that.
In the first one it is definitely not anti-Semitic to compare genocide with genocide. If the state of Israel doesn't want to be compared to Nazis then stop acting like Nazis. Absolutely ludicrous that anyone would agree to that definition. On the second one the irony is that the vast majority of people aren't doing that and the people who largely seem to be acting as though Israel and Jews means the same thing are those on the side of Israel.
Lucy Connolly: “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it.” Bob Vylan “Death death to the IDF” Now….. I think that both these expressions are stupid. The first one includes “for all I care” which makes the statement so non-inciting that she ought to have got a slap on the wrist. The second one is railing against an institution rather than an individual so is too general to get your pants on fire about. Mrs C should be let out and Bob V should be told not to do it again, otherwise he’ll get the full Bob Dylan Treatment Which (as any self respecting music lover already knows) is: “What time is it?” said the judge, to Joey when they met. “5 to 10” said Joey. Judge said “That’s exactly what you get”.
His comments were a terrible waste of an opportunity to say something more effective, or get someone on stage to do the same. That said it did highlight liberals and their ****** up selective outrage. Calling for the death of a foreign murderous army is to be "condemned", but the genocide of a people? *tumbleweed* Starmer the human rights lawyer can't find the words seemingly. This will be his Iraq.
As I said, not a wise choice of words. And as you say, I expect he’ll be told off by the police as it’s basically like calling for death to the Wehrmacht. Disagree on the twitter troll. She said what she said online, viewed by over 300,000 people, and other morons did indeed do as she said. They set fire to hotels housing innocent asylum seekers. She was punished according to the law, having admitted guilt. I know which of those individuals I’d prefer to share the planet with.
You find it interesting? In what sense? Isn’t it blindingly obvious. You would have to be incredibly stupid to think that it’s anything other than the fact that our Government has supported the genocide over the last 20 months. Our taxes & Government aren’t funding / supporting atrocities (as far as I’m aware) in any of the other countries listed.
Well I would imagine that the viewing/watching figures for Vylan B far exceed those of Lucy whoever. Plus his musically groundbreaking chant (for no musical reason) was unequivocal, whereas Lucy is just silly and racist and should have her phone confiscated. And I bet she didn't have 300k followers when she posted what she did. Social media is a cesspit that I do not jump into, so it seems to me that appearing live on the BBC is far more of a transgression than a local councillor(or wife of or ex-wife, or whatever) 's tweet. Do you know anyone who goes and does whatever a councillor tweet suggests they do , "for all I care"? She must be one hell of a powerful guru. Except that of course she's not. I would not wish to be stuck in a room with either tbh.
Her defence barrister acknowledged that it was a category A case on the basis she intended to incite serious violence.
You getting paid by Israel for schilling this hard on their behalf? You should educate yourself, learn to find information from other sources than the one that is spoon feeding it to you.....
Must be mustn’t it - no-one could possibly hold a different opinion to you. If anyone from Mossad is reading this though, I’m definitely open to a salaried position.
Bad mistake. As was the case for a load of those who pleaded guilty early doors to those various offences. I have no sympathy for this woman and I'm all for people being locked away for a fair old time. As long as it looks to me as though it's proportionate to other offences. And this one isn't, to me. Matter of opinion - I know. But if things are to be proportionate then seems to me that Vylan himself is looking at a stretch. FFS we can't have an invited singer down the Well at half time screaming "death to Wednesday fans" can we? It's about time more peace love and understanding came back. What's so funny about that, as the song goes.
I don’t think either should be in prison but I do think you have to take into account who they’re chanting about. If someone chants ‘death to the IDF’ or ‘death to the Russian army’ or ‘death to the Syrian army’ then I’m very understanding of it. All three have committed horrendous crimes. The people in hotels crime as far as I’m aware is trying to give themselves a better life. To me it’s like equating calling for the murder of a serial killer to calling for the murder of a law abiding citizen. There is no comparison.
Well I'll just respond to this and then I've had enough. I think that both the woman in jail and the musical genius from Glastonbury are not worth the effort. Firstly the "IDF" is made up of individuals, many of whom would have little choice but to defend their country when called upon, just like it would be in this country. I would imagine that most do not condone cold blooded murder. Most will be intent upon simply making up the numbers to defend their country. So to justify a call for their collective death is arbitrary gruesome and wrong. Secondly, if as you seem, you want to split hairs, Lucy whoever called for the burning of the hotels, not people, and "for all I care". Which seems a vague statement to get you 2 and a half years in prison. She may have other form - i don't know. So which is worst - calling for the actual death of people, or calling for their place of residence to be burnt if you can be bothered to turn out. We can do without both, but nobody is claiming the high moral ground here.
It’s not splitting hairs. I just think there’s an obvious difference. Loads of Russian’s are being conscripted. I think we all know there wouldn’t be a reaction like this if someone chanted ‘death to the Russian army’.
"Set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care." She's on about burning people. At a time when there was a rising anti-immigrant rhetoric, threat of imminent violence and people did end up trying to burn a hotel with immigrants inside. You're doing mental gymnastics to pretend she wasn't talking about burning immigrants when she clearly was. And you seriously can't think that saying "for all I care" means it doesn't count.