‘The risk of infection from children is very, very low’

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  1. Stephen Dawson

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    Totally agree. It seems like having a wave of 50,000+ then 25,000+ then 15,000 etc is seen in government and scientific terms as being a success and it isn't. Just because it won't overload the NHS doesn't make it any safer.
     
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    I agree test and trace is essential.
    I've also read asymptomatic carriers are actually very rare. Mild symptoms yes, but not no symptoms. The anecdotal evidence of asymptomatic carriers appears to have come from people who have tested positive during the incubation period, have not had symptoms when testing positive but have gone on to develop them. Maybe only mild, but some symptoms.
     
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    I don't agree. I think for most pupils and families attending school will be OK. I think for some poorly children or ill parents (or other ill people in the house) it won't be.
    I don't agree with treating everyone the same when there is such a huge disparity in how the virus affects us. We need to protect vulnerable people, which we haven't done and as a result seen so many deaths, and we need to function as a society, which we're not doing because young healthy people who can afford it are protecting themselves at home.
     
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    I take the point. But symptoms can be so mild you wouldn’t consider them nurse where my partner works had a very very small reduction of sense of taste no other symptoms and has tested positive. She said in normal times she wouldn’t have even noticed.
     
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    You can stick to speed limits and wear seatbelts and still die in a car crash. Similarly we can apply social distancing and ban mass gatherings but sadly people will still die. It's hard because it's a choice of how far you go with measures. Wherever you draw that line it's going to have a negative impact for someone.
    Its plainly not as simple as choose between business or people's lives. It's not a mutually exclusive choice, both are important and influence each other.
    Anyway ironically enough I'm off to work now.
     
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    Im not sure your comparisons are really fair/sensible if im honest. It isnt important to eat a sweet where one has bizarrely been laced with cyanide so why would you do that? Some things however are a necessity like commuting to work and an education.

    The risk of dying in a road accident is still low but you have to take that chance dont you? There is a risk you might choke on food and plenty die from it each year but you still eat? So 100,000 to 1 odds are quite good and I would take them every single time if it meant having a better quality of life.

    I can see that I'm not going to change your mind though so this is fairly pointless. You cant live life risk free it is impossible.
     
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    Because smoking crack is necessary in life isn't it?

    I'm sure more than 1 in 100,000 crack addicts die of drug related problems too. But that is another excellent, sensible comparison :rolleyes:
     
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    but I probably based on percentages won’t die so I should just crack on if i fancy it? To be fair trying to teach my 9 year old be working from home I could do with summat to get me through the day.
     
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    That's a good point too. Although both our points are immaterial if a sound and robust track and trace program had been developed. I get why we couldn't do it straight off the bat. We were all over the place and inundated before we had the chance. There's a million reasons for that that aren't worth going over again. It happened, we move on. But we haven't moved on. We've locked down and not developed anything.
     
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    Completely agree. Unfortunately the public decided to elect a govt that at its heart cares little or nothing for them led by a guy uninterested in detail. The lockdown whether you supported it or not gave the govt time to breathe and plan on the surface it looks like they wasted that. We should be moving forward cautiously but with a degree of confidence the reality is miles away from that.
     
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    Money. Make no mistake this is a purely economic decision.
     
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    If you want to try crack it's your life. Based on percentages you'll probably be alright, although probably not enjoy it. If you continue to use it regularly then, again based on percentages, you won't be alright.

    But taking crack won't help society run. Having an education system and an employed population will.
     
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    I really don't understand why you can't grasp the concept that we will have to take risks every single day and that some of those risks will be necessary and some of those won't. It isn't complicated. Making daft comparisons isn't helpful.
     
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    Hallelujah.
     
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    Spot on, every word.
     
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    There's also this to consider with Children - a disease that is/looks like Kawasaki disease. I read today over 100 children in NY have been taken to hospital with it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52439005
     
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    Part of the problem is that we were without the leader for 3 weeks in the middle of it and nobody dare step up and make any decisions.
     
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    yeah I’d forgotten that Dominic Cummings got sick...
     
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    I agree they are a necessity... just are they a necessity before September? Is it worth rushing into it? There isn’t nearly the capacity for what is proposed in schools.

    As for road deaths. There have been less than 1800 road deaths each year since 2012... so far in three months we’ve had around 50,000 deaths from COVID, so I’m not sure your comparison is very good either.
     

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