4-4-2

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board ARCHIVE' started by fired, Jan 23, 2016.

  1. fir

    fired Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2007
    Messages:
    16,778
    Likes Received:
    13,052
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Play to Winnall's strengths.
    Simple game.
     
  2. OxR

    OxRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    1,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Agreed and I think everyone is with you including the manager.
    It's the weirdest thing though that I can't think of any player ever that is such a good finisher and yet is so rubbish in general play.
     
  3. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    30,103
    Likes Received:
    19,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballet Dancer
    Location:
    Hiding under the bed
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Bit harsh given his assists record recently.

    Glad that the penny finally dropped with Johnson. Decide who you're best/most effective players are and play to their strengths. It's a simple game.
     
  4. jud

    judith charmers Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2011
    Messages:
    5,982
    Likes Received:
    5,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Travel advisor
    Location:
    Barbados
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    True, even when we were losing I don't think we got battered by any means but the 3-5-1/4-5-1 was piss poor!

    4-4-2 plays into each one of our players strengths and the results are now showing!!
     
  5. nezbfc

    nezbfc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2005
    Messages:
    11,222
    Likes Received:
    7,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    He can play as ***** as he wants if he bangs a hat trick in each game.

    Striker. He is paid to score goals. No more needs to be said
     
  6. red

    redrum Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    26,696
    Likes Received:
    19,796
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    We are much better than the 451 ****** earlier in the season. Hamill and whites arrival has helped also playing 442 with Watkins partnering sam winall has also 442 a simple system what everyone understands wish we had started the season with this system and these players
     
  7. Con

    Connor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2013
    Messages:
    6,496
    Likes Received:
    4,404
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    One good thing came from scowens injury and hammills arrival . We went 442 and stuck to it .
     
  8. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10,343
    Likes Received:
    5,345
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Very few have said otherwise...shame it took so long.
     
  9. eas

    eastlondontyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Messages:
    627
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Don't think it's quite as simple as this. Winnall and Hourihane were our best players last year but we couldn't play 4 4 2 because Hourihane was unable to play in a central 2. There were numerous threads on here about this issue at the time - and every time I saw us try it we were dominated in midfield.

    Big difference now is that Hourihane is more than holding his own in a 2 - allowing us to play Winnall up top. We dominated that area despite Rochdale only playing 1 up top.

    That's why I disagree with some of the views that our upturn is only due to Hammill and nothing to do with Johnson. Yes, injuries may have forced 4 4 2 on us somewhat, but there's no denying that the Hourihane has improved substantially from last year, and this must be due to the management / coaching he's getting.

    Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
     
  10. Dan

    DanT Active Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    3,344
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Sat in front of my computer
    Home Page:
    4-4-2 with 2 proper wingers. It's a simple game football
     
  11. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    30,103
    Likes Received:
    19,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballet Dancer
    Location:
    Hiding under the bed
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Or the amateur tacticians and Johnson were just wrong about Hourihane. He was perfectly capable of playing in a midfield 2 last season (in fact he played his best football when doing so) and actually looks worse in a 3 when he isn't given responsibility.
     
  12. Barnsley Chopin

    Barnsley Chopin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2012
    Messages:
    3,061
    Likes Received:
    2,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Egghead
    Location:
    WOMBWELL
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    He played in a midfield 2 at his last club too, just needed a run of games like most of em.
     
  13. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    28,818
    Likes Received:
    24,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I just hope hammill's ok. Would be a massive blow to lose him


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  14. redarmychris

    redarmychris Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    6,807
    Likes Received:
    1,481
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    He also played some of his worse football in a two.

    When playing alongside Berry or Bailey he was abysmal.

    Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk
     
  15. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    30,103
    Likes Received:
    19,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballet Dancer
    Location:
    Hiding under the bed
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)

    I'm sorry but that's not my general recollection. Playing in a midfield 2 he scored lots of goals and won League 1 player of the month. It was only when first Wilson and then Johnson played him out of position that his form suffered. He also missed Winnall when he was injured as the only other real quality in our squad at the time. This isn't to say he didn't have some poorer games when played centrally as he is a 3rd tier footballer not playing for Barcelona.

    Football at our level is a simple game. You isolate your better players and play to their strengths otherwise the wheels come off sharpish. Earlier in the season we didn't utilise the strengths of Hourihane or Winnall and suffered as a result. As you said against Fleetwood Winnall was awful again he is a fantastic player at our level but only when supported by a particular type of player.

    The most pleasing aspect of our mini Renaissance for me Is that Johnson seems to have learned from his mistakes and is player a system to get the best out of his better players.
     
  16. Dja

    Django Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2013
    Messages:
    12,582
    Likes Received:
    9,892
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Agree with this.

    Hourihane was more than capable of playing in a 2. I'm sure him & Bailey played together in one against a top league one side & dominated midfield late in the season when Scowen & Pearson weren't available
     
  17. JLWBigLil

    JLWBigLil Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    50,945
    Likes Received:
    33,175
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The 1-1 home draw with PNE.
     
  18. Shy Talk

    Shy Talk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    8,217
    Likes Received:
    5,078
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Tarn
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Bit harsh? His pass for Marleys goal was sublime.
     
  19. madmark62

    madmark62 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    20,282
    Likes Received:
    190
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Floating along lifes waterways
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Disagree massively.
     
  20. redarmychris

    redarmychris Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    6,807
    Likes Received:
    1,481
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Did you go to Doncaster and Preston away?
     

Share This Page