A genuine question regarding being anti-Davey

Right, I understand all the arguments that are pro and anti Davey annd can empathise with people on both side of the fence.

What I don't understand though is that the decsion has been made and he is in charge for next season so why don't we get behind and see what happens. I don't see what constantly attacking him and being negative achieves. What possible pleasure can it bring. You all talk about Davey being stubborn but you are the stubbornest of all. You all said we'd be playing League One football this season if we didn;t sack him - we're not. Now it s a new season with new players and a new start so why not say fair enough lets see what happens.

At the end of the day if you are proven right then we all loose anyway. You might be able to say told you so but he will be sacked because we are doing really badly. I genuinely believe that being so negative hampers our potential. It spreads from the terraces to the players who become nervous and consequently play worse.

I'm not saying we shouldn't criticise the club or the management or the players but surely that should be contstrucitive rather then blindly slating a manager for every decision he makes.

 

"with new players"

not yet we haven't

 

I think he is way out of his depth managing a championship football club and i believe that after two close scrapes this year we will relegated for not acting this summer in bringing a new manager to the club. He is the reason i haven't renewed my season ticket, i just can't stomach another 23 trips to oakwell to watch maybe 3 or 4 decent performances of last seasons calibre. I wouldn't mind if i thought he was getting the best out of the players and was working with everything he has at his disposal.

 

fair point, but there's over two months till the transfer window closes

a period through with he will be here so we need to see what happens

 

RE: "with new players"

And it looks like the same old struggle with no new quality additions, unfortunately for many fans its a a habit following the club when you know that theres nothing much going to change.
The club needs a kick upthe backside to give the fans something to look forward to, that is not happening at the moment

 

last season when barnsley had most of there players fit they attacked, the problem's came around when a load of players where out. i know every team as injury's but 5/6 out at the same time just did barnsley before Christmas. I went to see the reds regularly and i can honestly say that it was not has bad as people make out. I did miss some of the bad games like crystal palace, crewe, southampton, norwich, ipswich, swansea and crewe. i did see tho the reds play well and get nothing e.g. preston away and preston at home barnsley should have won. how many times can you or anyone remember barnsley getting done for 90 Min's at oakwell. i cant remember that a lot maybe once or twice. believe and the reds will give us the results we all wont. Oakwell should be like when barnsley played crystal palace and we were 1-0 down and the fans lifted the team and played well.

 

I'd be satisified to have seen a bit of progression

but we have gone backwards. The 2007-8 was poor in the league from Christmas onwards and there was no improvement last season finishing two places lower with three fewer points and less goals scored. The Southampton, Charlton, Blackpool and Forest home games were four of the worst performances under Davey and there are a LOT to choose from.

I have seen nothing at all that makes we will do anything this season or that Davey has what it takes to be a good Manager.

 

Again fair points but what do you gain if your proved right?

Disagree with the decision to keep him but its happened so lets see what happens. Hating him and getting angry doesn't help, neither will slagging him off for everything

 

RE: I'd be satisified to have seen a bit of progression

You forgot Swansea, now that was the worst game i have witnessed at Oakwell since the Wednesday hammering 3 years ago.

 

RE: I'd be satisified to have seen a bit of progression

Aye, stick that one on the list - hardly the performance of a team scrapping for their lives

 

RE: Again fair points but what do you gain if your proved right?

Can't help it, too many games last season did i sit there and just watch nothing happen on the pitch. Never been as bored watching bfc as i have been under davey (cup games excluded). I dont see anything but more of the same and maybe even worse. We lose 3/4 -0 opening day then continue to struggle and he will be gone by the end of sep, we should have made the change this summer.

 

To be fair mate we've had plenty to enjoy the last couple of years and we've once again got championship football to look forward to . Lets see if we can kick up the league.

My point is fair enough if you think the club has made the wrong decision, but its been made so lets see if it pays off. If it does we will all be happy but anyone who is consistently anti-davey will not be able to enjoy any success that do come along. thats why i can't understand following that route

 

you can argue there's been no progress but you can't really say we've gone backwards nt

 

look who did not do pre season.
There was colace, anderson, jcr, muller, moore, kouzluk i think, and maybe one or 2 others. pre season is very important for the players and if they miss it they are catching up sometimes until Christmas. look at foster he was in and out of the team and he as said he never got up to 100% last year. in simon Davey's first pre season all the players where saying it was the hardest pre season they have ever done which is good.

 

Don't mean this in a bad way but maybe your expectations/standards are too high?

 

RE: you can argue there's been no progress but you can't really say we've gone backwards nt

If we get less points, score less goals and finish two places lower how can that be seen as anything but going backwards?

 

Last seasons target by the board was to push for a mid table finish, end result was scrapping for our lives again and narrowly missed relegation, gaining less points than the season before.

If I had been set targets in my job and I failed as miserably as Davey did, I would be searching for a new job. With the board setting those targets and not acting upon failure of these, this shows a big weakness. how are the fans expected to keep the faith? I think that why many fans have simply accepted that we're in for another season of dross and thats why attendances will fall. The board should have used this season to show that we won't settle for mere survival, to tell the fans that we are ambitious, and bring in a fresh lease of enthusiasm. Sadly they havn't, but I hope to be proven wrong by the decision.

 

RE: you can argue there's been no progress but you can't really say we've gone backwards nt

but the year before we got more points than the season before that and this year we got more points than two seasons ago and this year we finished more points above relegation than the one before. It can be spun anyway, the reality is we have been a team who have been threatened by relegation each season and survived.

Every time can't conitnually progress. At the moment we are stabilising/stagnating depending on what side of the argument you are on and can see both sides, but for me you can only get rid of a manager who is stabilising if it is at a time when he is been given huge amounts of money to spend (eg Magilton) or if you are stabilising in a position lower than your natural level.

 

well said

 

Do you think the board actually backed that target up with cash?

I'm a massive fan of PC and I perosnally don't think our outlay should exceed our income, but PC set the target to push for mid table and said Davey would have the funds to do that. That simply didn't happen. We bought Hume but Philips didn't materialise and neither did much else in terms of money.

I think Davey was set unrealisitic targets with the resources he had which set expectations amongst fans too high. Through the season they carefully restructured Davey's targets but the damage was done