Hypothetically speaking... I'm not suggesting that we should have stuck with Flitcroft when Danny came in, nor am I saying that this is my opinion, I'm just interested to hear the debate. Say Mile Jedinak hadn't scored late on against Peterborough, or Luke Steele had a senior moment while dribbling the ball around our box and hoofed one home, just for kicks (much like the urge to launch a mobile phone off a bridge. Or is that just me?). Say there hadn't been a great escape and we'd gone down by a point or two, instead of prolonging it by a season. Where do we think we would be? We had made such a recovery from that January, so would we have stuck with Flitcroft? Probably... How would he/we have fared in League One? Would we still be saying Etuhu is our Yaya? (Did anyone ever say that?) It's been mentioned before that Hill and Flicker are clearly decent managers who just didn't necessarily fit with us. Whether they rubbed us up the wrong way by spouting rubbish every week or they just weren't ready for the championship, they're clearly fitting elsewhere. If they'd taken us down but stayed with us, would this have offered stability? Or would we have just continued sinking with triers, Mellis and McCourt? I guess the main question is - are we better off now? I hardly post on here but I've just started commuting to work... Might actually have some time now, you'll be saddened to hear. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Well their both hacking it elsewhere. They are really doing well. Whether they can do it in championship is another matter. It looks like they have both a better chance of trying it again before LJ. I liked Flitcroft, and he was behind the modernising of our reception and all the layout in the locker rooms etc. I think he had to have a clear out of some players and with a bit more time he would have come good
nice to hear from you, one thing I liked about flicker, was his positivity, but when he signed his old mate on as keeper ,that was it for me , think hes a jobs for the boys type of manager and eventually it will all come tumbling down, bury will end up skint and back down the league with his demands for imperial leather soap in the baths and gold plated knife and fork for pre match meals
I don't think Flicker would have got the job. Don Rowing really didn't rate him, but his opinion would have been lost amongst the celebrations of the great escape. Had that escape attempt failed, I think his voice would have been a lot louder. That's ducking the issue. It is my opinion that despite being one of the better supported teams in the division, despite having one of the largest budgets (the club's claim not mine) and despite the 20 years prior to the current owner's involvement with the club being spent either in the Championship or the Premier League, the fact that we now find ourselves a mid-table League 1 club is due to how we've been run at board level, not the failure of the managers we have employed. I think we'd be where we are now or worse whatever happened that day at Huddersfield.
I personally think Flitcroft lost the plot & had to go. Spent a full month playing Mellis & Dawson as wingers & we were truly awful during that period. To be honest I think with the way things were at the start of this season we were in a fantastic position, all the championship wages had gone, lots of our own young players were ready to push on after gaining experience last year. We were only another forward, 2 wingers & 2 or 3 experienced players in the squad off going for automatic promotion
I agree, I think pre-season the club was in a very positive place. LJ had a decent core of a squad, a bit of money to spend, young players stepping up etc. We needed perhaps six specific players, to take us forward. Instead we brought in players for positions we didn't need and failed to recruit for areas we did need. The likes of Digby cannot get near the team, Rothwell (whe fit) is surplus to requirements and the likes of Jackson seem to be such after thoughts they barely get five mins in a game we need to score in. Still very early days but I think BFC have managed to take very favouable cicrumstances and waste the opportunity to progress.
Aye Flicker weren`t alone though in playin square pegs in round holes out wide, O`Grady, Winnall and even this season Nyatanga, most of our recent managers have done it including the present one.
In most cases it was through necessity or other players not performing. With Flitcroft he had Cywka, O'Brien & McCourt sat on the bench whilst Dawson & Mellis were crap out wide & we were losing most games
Johnson put Nyatanga back where he belongs and brought Smiffy off the bench and things seemed to have improved slightly, folk on here hed been asking for it for weeks before he reacted to it. It weren`t necessity it were LJ`s choice. You can pick out one manager for it but they`ve all done it and they`ll carry on doing it
To different levels i'd say. Flicker probably has guys on as much money as Hourihane and Scowen are on combined. Bury are gambling alot on promotion with the fees/wages they have spent. Plenty i'm sure see their rubbish crowds and think he's doing an amazing job without actually having an idea on what he's spent. If they don't get promoted it could well go tits up again for them and few will have sympathy for them not learning from past mistakes, so there will be no need for collection buckets for them. Keef on the otherhand is doing a legit excellent job so fairplay to him. On their crowds/budget to get them where they are and rely on polishing turds to sell on at a profit to survive has been working well for him.
If flicker had narrowly missed out on keeping us up and we had got relegated I don't know if we would have kept him. But if we had have done I think we would have had a good chance of taking us straight back up he is a very positive person and knows how to get the best out of players and motivate a team. My only gripe with flicker was seemed a bit too friendly and nice to players. Him keeping us up was one of the most enjoyable times for a long while as a red the season after not so good. And alot on here wrote him off as a numpty then he was sacked, even when his bury side slipped out of the league 2 play offs briefly last season people couldn't wait to bring it up. In pre season people said he was signing Leroy lita esque players in Leon Clarke ect. Flicker is earning his stripes in football management so shows how much some know.
This is very accurate. In a way Everton may have done us a favour by not letting Stones walk, I'm not sure I would trust Johnson to spend the money. Flitcroft and Hill built fantastic squads for League One. They'd have had us up by Easter. Sadly, their remit was to build a Championship team and they made a right mess of it.
Kelvin was our Yaya! I said it all the time Why we got rid and brought in Reece Brown I'll never know.
