A worrying set of stats or what?

Just had a look at the possession figures for the last 5 games.

Barnsley 48% MK 52%... Richie says we dominated them all the game?

Barnsley 48% Port Vale 52%

Barnsley 52% Gillingham 48%

Barnsley 42% Chesterfield 58%

Barnsley 46% Huddersfield 54%

Looks to me as if we can't pass the ball and keep possession.

If I was Rithie I would be very concerned about our lack of possession.
It looks to me as if the opposition is controlling the game not us.

Perhaps our problems are actually with the midfield?

Has any one got any figures on our pass completion?

 

Could just mean long periods when we've pegged them back.

 

pmsl

http://www.barnsleyfc.org.uk/BBS/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=20109&mid=124372#M124372

Whatever you do, do not look for the positives.

 

If you lay all the statistics end to end

they do not reach a conclusion.

There is only one statistic that matters - do we go up or not.
We are 6th and a handfull of points off the top spot.
That final statistic is not a pipedream.

 

RE: If you lay all the statistics end to end

Aye but stats that put Marc Richards in a favourable light are 'lies'. Stats that back up 'Johnny's' argument that BFC can't keep possession are to be revered. Intriguing.

 

RE: pmsl

As a coach I always look to areas where my sides can be improved.Teams get better by eliminating weaknesses.

I actual do match and player analyis with my own Sunday league side so we can see where we need improvement, and it works.If a player can see his overall passing is poor he wont remember the one excellent pass he made during the game and rest on his laurels.He will become focused on improving his passing.

In one game this seson I showed a player his pass completion stats at half time.They were poor for a midfield player only 55% succesfull. In the 2nd half this improved to 83%, thats not bad for any standard of football.

The team has to improve in its areas of weakness not improve the things we are already excell at.

I think I will do one or two analyis with the Reds if I can detach myself from being a fan.

I have the FA qualification in Player and Match Analysis so I look to the games with a slightly different perspective to most people on here. I used both the FA and Brasilian match analyis methods.

 

however

eg 5% possession and 4 goals is better than 95% possession and no goals- isn't it??

 

RE: pmsl

Any player can sit in his own half and pass it 5 yards. As an opposition coach I'd be quite happy to let him do that. Possession in itself means nowt, it's whereabouts on the pitch the possession is that counts.

 

bit too intelligent for this board don't you think!!!!!!!!

 

So statistics then.............

Yes when you like them and no when you don't ?

ie Marc Richards' strike rate.

 

RE: however

When did that last happen then?

 

What that shows to me is that every game there is almost equal possession, a couple of percent either way - no surprise there then.

 

RE: So statistics then.............

Stats are only usful when the position of the player is also considered.
Why do people like John Terry and Rio Ferdinand have high pass success rates and players like Roony and Henry have lower success rates?
I take the position of the player and the area of the field they play in in consideration.

 

????

Marc Richards stats : 'lies damn lies and statistics'

The posession stats : 'worrying'

Some conflicting viewpoint that.

 

RE: however

I didn't say it had -it was just to make the point that all the possession in the world in your own half doesn't mean a great deal-

 

agreed

being very very generous the ball is actuallyin play for 60 minutes of the 90</p>

10% of this is 6 mins</p>

1% is just 36 seconds</p>

so taking the worst case above 42% possession against Chesterfield amounts to </p>

25 mins 12 sec for barnsley and 34 mins 48 secs for Chesterfield-and remembering the game they played a lot of the game in their half</p>

 

Summat I've always wondered about

'cos I'm a boring sad b'stard.

Barnsley player has a shot on goal, but it flies into the stand. From the lad having the shot to their 'keeper taking the goalkick a minute and a half elapses (what with all the nobbing about collecting the ball and that). Does that time count as the opposition being in posession when it comes to the stats? It's just that I've watched games on telly where one side has had all the play and the majority of the possession but the stats give a completely different story.

 

When we were in the Premiership, I went to Old Trafford for the league game when Barnsley decided that they could play Man U at football. It is my guess that we probably shaded possession but lost the game 7 - 0. One period of play went like this. Barnsley went through a long series of passes which culminated with them being blocked out on th left side of the Man U area. Instead of giving the ball away they reverved the move right back to centre half and tried again up the right side. This also got blocked. After about 20 Barnsley passes, we lost the ball at the edge of the Man U box. Three passes and 10 seconds later we were picking it out of our goal. Why - direct running, pace and accurate passing. It is not the length of time in possession which produces goals, it is accuracy of passing.
In my opinion, our main problem in retaining possession stems from the far that our defence and midfield are playing too deep. The first pass/clearance flies over midfield and is snapped up by the opposition. However, retaining possession is different from scoring goals and indeed conceeding them. By the way, I have absolutely no coaching qualifications. I have to make do with eyes and a brain.

 

Exactly. I'm no advocate of Charles Hughes but look at Arsenal - keeper throws the ball out to the left hand side, pass through the channel to Henry = goal.

 

are you for real? thats bordering on hinchcliffism

what age do you coach at? juniors or seniors?