All this racist or not racist talk. Here is something to ponder and debate...

....... especially for the one or two on here who think I have racist views. White supremacist in America is an oxymoron...

My theory...

Now America is, like Britain, a mongrel race. Apart from the Indigenous population that were there before the white man we have the Black Americans most of whom descend from slaves. Both of these groups were and still are suppressed by the White American societal structure.

Now the Caucasions are made up of Europeans some of whom arrived as convicts (before Australia became the land of choice for banishment). After that came the 'pioneers' many of whom were escaping religious persecution, famine and poverty. In other word the "huddled masses"

Now let's look at the Black population. They were selected by slavers for their physical strength, endured appalling conditions when being transported from Africa and various places and many did not survive the journey. Once here, they were subjected, in most cases to extreme hardship. Physical endurance and in many cases, intelligence resulted in a natural selection process taking place. In other words the society unwittingly practised Eugenics. Admittedly the 'Pioneers' and the New world offered Adventurers and speculators opportunities and white settlers also endured hardship but nothing on .the scale that slaves did.

Much of the racism, especially in the South, even to this day, has its basis in 'fear' rather than a deep routed belief of white superiority. It is only through suppression and denial of rights and priviledges for blacks in America that has kept them "in their place".
You cans see that where people have the opportunities they have risen to the top. Sport, Entertainment, and politics has proved that The black population is possibly on a head count, at the very least, equal, if not superior to the white population. The same happened in South Africa but the society there suffere due to the vaccum left by the sudden removal of the white status quo and the corruption of the people (Excluding Mandela) rife in the Black ruling class.

Comments?

 

We all descend from the black man. We're all black. Like Rugby.

 

And what about them crusades!!............. all this what has happened down the years is total ballocks IMHO, you can only live life in the present and make judgements as you see fit, you can't be an apologist for the way people lived in different times with different values ( people conveniently forget that there were black slave traders etc)
Same with race today I want to make judgements on people as people, I really don't give a **** what colour race or creed anybody is when it comes down to whether I get along with them or like them or not but if somebody is being a total t.wat I want the right to be able to say so without running the risk of having the race card thrown at me

 

Personally I don't think acknowledging all the **** like slavery etc perpetrated by our ancestors makes you a liberal lefty (although African tribes and other races kept slaves long before whitey came along). What I do object to though are those left wingers who seem to think everyone of our generation are somehow to blame and we should be responsible for compensating others for what happened. We cant right those wrongs but should be focussing on the here and now. The problem is famine and suffering from natural causes and weather pale into insignificance compared to that caused by war, greed and mans inhumanity (and dare I say it, nationalism and religion).

Negotiating with people living 400 years in the past who want to remove 'non-believers' from the face of the planet is completely different from resolving the problems caused by, for example, the Apartheid system and institutionalised racism.

 

Look at some of the stupid reasons they give for turning down planning applications here in Wales.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/plan-hundreds-bangor-homes-thrown-10598605

 

Ent gor a clue Tekk, I too went to worsbrough high comprehensive.

 

I'm with you on this. I work in Dubai with all kinds of nationalities, I like the people I like because of the way they are, not because of their race or religion. I travelled the world with the Royal Navy and don't remember meeting many people i didn't like.

 

Interesting thread Tekky and somewhat controversial, the liberal lefties on here will try to rip me to shreds for what I have to say on the subject, however I reckon I have a better insight than most having lived in Africa for 22 years. I went to South Africa in 83 and lived under the Boer rule until the change in power in 94. I was recruited by the gold mines, being a mining engineer in the uk. My first memory of apartheid was underground where I saw the toilets with signs on the "European" and "non-European" , well I emambered myself with the Africaaner when I remarked, " hey you guys are non-European I guess" , didn't go down well as you can imagine. Now I will be the first to admit that apartheid was bound to fail eventually but TBH many of the blacks had better lives back then, and a lot of them have admitted this to me, they had jobs, food, and life in the townships wasn't bad TBH, I went there and saw. Houses weren't great, but that hasn't changed since. Seen as bad in Barnsley in the 70's. Let's go to Mandella, a convict at Robin Island for a reason, he was head of the equivalent of the armed wing of the IRA and was directly responsible for many terrorist style attacks and resulting loss of life, so let's not get carried away by thinking this man was a saint, far from it. I had some good relationships with the locals but as the cultural divide was so great, they were never close friends. This leads me to my final statement, which is that when it comes down to it, most of us have racial predjuces simply because of the colour of the skin we were born with, we can deny it, pretend otherwise but think about it, how many really close friends are not our own colour, are we prejudice against immigrants? Would white people be happy to live next door to Indians or Pakistanis and visa Versa. It tickles me pink when I hear the liberal lefties talking about things like this just because it's politically correct, and many of them still at school. Well that's my call on it, there will never be a solution so bigotry will always exist both ways.

 

Marc, I'm a honest man and a realist, that's all. I have helped many less privileged in Africa, and not just South Africa, in the Congo, Angola and Mozambique, I'm no saint but like to think I've improved the lot of a few at least. That's the best we can do as individuals.

 

I work alongside Pakistani's, Indians, Poles, Germans, Russians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Romanian's, Irish, Scottish... it makes for a very culturally diverse atmosphere and I like to think I've learnt a lot about other countries, their politics, their beliefs/faiths etc. I love life and love learning.

However, we live in a village of Bradford that's still mainly populated by whites english folk such as ourselves. It's where the missus has always lived, as do most of the family. There isn't any Pakistani families in Clayton as far as I know. But there's plenty of Indian families here. One next door as it goes. Quite lovely they are. So to answer your question, yes I'm happy to live next door to Indians.


The people I've found to be the most racially discriminating, most bigoted in their views are the folk who've no experience to relate to, folk who have been for a curry and might have once walked past an asian in the street. You suggest all those years in foreign climbs gives you an advantage when discussing such subjects. I'd suggest your words betray that notion.


I asked one of the lads at work the other day what he does for Christmas, being muslim and that. It's just another day/time for him, as it is for us when they celebrate Ramadan etc. But he's going to BRI. To the childrens ward, at Christmas. Another Pakistani lad is helping serve food/soup etc at a local homeless shelter.

Liberal leftie? Naew. Just human.

 

Have you travelled to Africa much Marc? Don't take that badly, just curious.

The reason I ask is that I suppose I would have been saying pretty much the same as you are now 30 years ago or so, but I've learnt that unless you've been there then you will never quite know. I wasn't justifying apartheid at all if you read my post correctly, and yes, if you had seen some council estates in the 70's they were no go areas. Also I didn't say I wouldn't live next door to Indians, I as putting forward the question that most would probably not, because of cultural differences, I could have said would you like to live next door to people sacrificing goats in their garden, this is a religious thing, would you condone this? Doubt it. this coming from my own observations in the uk and here in the Middle East. In the uk whole districts became mono cultural. If you had not lived in a benefits country then maybe you would appreciate more that the majority of people in the world don't know where the next meal is coming from. Now to your point on resources, yes agreed the profits in Africa go to industrialists and graft payments to the privilaged locals, there's nothing you or I can do about that as the blacks themselves are running it. But let's look on the positive side of this. For instance in Mozambique we built a huge aluminium smelter which doubled the GDP of the country because it was the poorest country in the whole world at that time, it also created over a thousand direct jobs and many more indirect jobs in service industries, it gave them electricity supplies, a medical centre, and in 99/2000 they had the worst floods in living memory when I among others supplied the only potable water to Maputo as their local supply went down. But you apparently think this bad and we shouldn't have bothered as if affects your sensitivities. In Congo we gave the locals clinics and schools, but this is apparently not good as you are concerned. But tell me you as an individual, flying the red flag, critisising people like me who actually go there and do these things, what contributions have you made to the poor? And btw I have much more to add to what I have done. So sink low in your comfy chair Marc and consider. It's too easy to criticise, takes a little effort to go out and do something. I know you reds think Mandella some kind of hero, but I really suggest you look up his history, his wife was just as bad, she knocked off kids.

 

A refreshing honest post Dubai!

Ignore the twaddle spouted by some of the PC brigade on here.!!!!

 

Thanks doctor, but sometimes they need a wake up call.

 

You've woke nobody up though. You've given an opinion, others have given theirs. Simple as. As it should be.

 

As all the profits from their natural resources flood out of the country in to the hands of the wealthy, keeping the locals poor but in just a good enough condition that they won't revolt.

Reminds me of my mate who works for a hedge fund. They do a lot of charity work to help the underprivileged yet are based in Jersey and pay no tax.

 

Are you a lefty? I'd never have known! I've always run my own race myself. I think you understood the gist of my post tho.

 

Thanks Whitey, that's what this site should be about.