Anderson Da Silva/ Heinze Muller ...

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  1. Gue

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    Reading this BBS in the past few weeks, I have been amazed by the attitude of a great number of posters on here, with regard to Da Silva and Muller. I have to say that it is an attitude which appears to be shared by the management of BFC, which is even more amazing.
    The general premise seems to be that all we have to do is muddle through until these two are pronounced match fit, sometime between now and November and from that moment on, everything will be fine and we will shoot into the play off places without any problems whatsoever.
    I would love someone, whether it be Simon Davey or anyone else, to come on here and prove to me that Da Silva, or Muller or both, are guaranteed to return to full fitness and be capable of playing to the same standard that they were previously capable of.
    Personally, I don't believe that anyone can give that guarantee. This being the case, then both should be looked upon as a possible bonus for the second half of the season and not as the backbone of a team that may have to play the majority of the season without them.
    We should be building a team or a squad that doesn't include them and doesn't rely on them coming back for us to be able to reach any kind of a goal. It is folly and IMHO bad management to be thinking "Steele will be OK until Muller's fit and Colace will do alright until Da Silva is back in the side" They may not be able to do it anymore and if they can't where will that leave us?
     
  2. t.t

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    The thing is...

    We're not half the team without De Silva and even if he was to play when not 100% fit, we'd still be a better team.
     
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    RE: The thing is...

    Getting back to the fitness that they both had will be difficult in my oppinion. Not all players get over injuries like the ones they had. Fingers crossed they fully recover, but in the mean time we need strong back-up, something which we havn't got for the moment. Still there is another month to sort it all out. :)
     
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    Dont know how you came to the conclusion in the 2nd sentence

    and maybe uncertainty of Da Silva's recovery is why we havn't blown our budget on a striker, who knows. </p>

    I expect a couple of season loans or possibly more signings in any case. </p>
     
  5. Gue

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    RE: Dont know how you came to the conclusion in the 2nd sentence

    not really sure what you expect davey to do about it? go out and blow our budget on someone to replace da silva simply because he may not be the same player when he comes back?

    Davey will be waiting on these two players returning to action before doing anything drastic.
     
  6. Gue

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    they will both be back for begining of september. davey will pick up a couple of loan players this month to add to the squad we have,one has got to be a striker. last season at this stage davey said he was happy with what he had then a few weeks into season we saw de silva macken and nyatanga come in on loan so i expect the same to happen this year.
     
  7. Gue

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    colace and steele? neither has played much in pre season and we know steele can fill one gap
    colace should be fit for qpr, he could be ace?
    Thing is both players are in training and wont be missing half the season so why build a team to not include them seems a waste of time
     
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    Treating them Seperately

    Muller - should be fit to play some games early in September. As a GK he will probably make a full recovery

    Steele is a more than adequate replacement until then and beyond if necessary - and should anything happen to him there is always the loan market to get another goalie in quickly

    Da Silva - is a different situation
    Its harder to come back as an outfield player - he may come back as good as before, or he may never be the player he was
    either way we should know in the first couple of months of the season
    If he doesnt make it - signing a replacement as good will be extremely difficult - he is one of the best midfield players in the league.
     
  9. Gue

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    HOW I came to that conclusion was by using my admittedly unrealistic powers of reasoning. WHY I came to that conclusion is because no positive action appears to have been taken to resolve that problem. We are still playing Hassel in a defensive midfield role, that he is not comfortable in and which does not (despite the fact that he is a defender) give any real protection to the defence and it would appear that he will continue in that position into the new season.
     
  10. Gue

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    RE: The thing is...

    That is unrealistic tripe.
     
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    Please expand

    Look at our results without De Silva. Bobby Hassell isn't half the holding midfielder.
     
  12. Gue

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    My whole point, is that we don't know that to be true, it is pure speculation and a little bit of wish and hope.
    Both have been quoted as saying that it may a couple of months before they can even begin full training, rather than just jogging/running.
     
  13. Gue

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    Do you expect the same to happen when they are recalled, ie a slump to the relegation zone, just like last season?
     
  14. Gue

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    RE: Treating them Seperately

    Not sure I would agree with that. He had a couple of exceptional games in the FA Cup but in the other games generally, he seemed no more than average to me. However, I can't argue that he would be a safer bet than Letheren.
     
  15. Gue

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    I share your fears..often a big injury reduces the quality drastically

    not many have I seen or heard of come back to be anywhere near as good as they where...especially outfield players. Injuries of the magnitude almost always result in a much less effective player.
     
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    surely we are playing hassell

    there at the minute because the argie is injured and togwell is on the transfer list.
     

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