Anelka's goal celebration....

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  1. Mr C

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    "Cretinous at best..." says a top French sports journalist. A tribute to his "comedian friend", says Nick. Comedian friend ritually rips the piss out of Holocaust victims in his act and invented the inverted Nazi salute. FA busy googling 'holocaust' and 'facism', statement expected after the holidays.
     
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    Ben Mansford Style
     
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    [video=youtube;F4_eFbLAwkg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_eFbLAwkg[/video]
    How's that a nazi salute or "anti-semitic" in any way? :confused:

    Some people are just being stupid again.
     
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    Sad to say Tomi, there is some substance to the accusation.
     
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    Whatever next?
     
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    Fecking pathetic
     
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    http://www.citypress.co.za/news/fra...e-may-ban-comedian-linked-nazi-salute-reverse

    Dieudonne himself calls it anti-Zionist rather than anti-Semitic. Pick the bones out of that one if you like. We could argue all day about it, and the next and go on for a couple of years without ever reaching a conclusion, but we'd only be arguing over semantics. The reality is, anti-Semitism is illegal, while anti-Zionism isn't. So, Dieudonne argues, he can insult Jews until the cows come home, but if he calls it anti-Zionism he believes he can get away with it.

    What am I talking about? Well, Dieudonne's reasoning in this is that he is attacking a political movement not a group of people. So, he tells jokes about Jews for an hour and half, insults them, belittles them, stirs up hatred towards them, then claims he is attacking the state of Israel, a valid political stand point, while the fact that the subjects of his vitriol happen to be Jews is merely a coincidence. It's like a comedian telling n*gger jokes for an entire act and claiming he's attacking the NBA. The fact that all the good basketball players are black is just a coincidence.

    It's very clever I suppose, if you believe that finding loopholes in the law in order to attack an entire group of people and stir up anti-Semitism is a clever thing to do.

    To be honest, I don't even know if Dieudonne is anti-Semitic or simply anti-establishment and using this particular cause to kick up as much fuss as possible while having a whale of a time in the process. What I do know, is that the rhetoric he is spouting is being used by genuine anti-Semitic groups as valid argument, while he is the single biggest influence in France of people joining such groups. When you consider European history of the last century, I don't think that's all that clever or all that funny.

    Is the gesture a 'reverse Nazi salute' as is being claimed? Of course it is. Whether it's a salute to show his allegiance is up for debate, but the real purpose of the gesture is to see how much he can get away with. The joke isn't on the people who claim it is, it's on the people who claim it isn't and repeat Dieudonne's ridiculous fish dumpling explanation. He's pissing himself laughing. He couldn't believe his luck this weekend when he got a stupid footballer to copy it and the images were beamed around the world. Minor French comedian/political activist to global phenomenon over night down to the naivety of a football player. A black footballer who doesn't know what he's doing giving a Nazi salute. To be honest, that is quite funny, I can see where he's coming from, post-modernism has reached a whole new level, but it's also very dangerous because some people are very stupid. I include the media in that who have now ensured that Dieudonné's message will reach 100,000 times more people than it ever would had they not reported it. No one knew what Anelka was doing (Anelka included), now everyone does.

    For what it's worth, I disagree with much of what the state of Israel do, I take the side of the Palestinians at almost every turn (until one of them blows themselves and everyone around them in to vapour). But we've been down this road before and it was in the lifetime of many of our grandparents. It started with propaganda against a group of people. In the 1930s those people spreading that propaganda may have been far more sinister and dangerous than Dieudonné M'bala M'bala, but there are currently equally dangerous people taking on board what Dieudonné has to say and believing it to be 'the truth'.

    'kin 'ell, sorry about all that.
     
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    Good explanation!
     
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    Anti Zionism is fine, anti-semitic is not. Unfortunately many Israelis like to conflate one with the other, this just gives them all the more reason.
     
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    I see a number of those distasteful extremist groups ensure they have their photos taken making the salute outside the Anne Frank Museum & Auschwitz. Probably just mere coincidence to the apologists. Anelka is thirty four years old, he's not an immature child so I believe he knew exactly what he was doing and the significance of the salute.
     
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    Maybe we need the insightful understanding that Mido brings to the issue
     
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    We cant afford the pies anymore !!:rolleyes:
     
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    Plus he's grown one of those "serious Muslim" beards that most of the extremists have.
     
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    $hit effort as well. if ya gonna do it, do it properly

    paolo_di_canio_facist_salute.jpg
     
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    i notice most western leaders who invade other countries don't have beards. Conversely the evil Castro (never invaded anywhere) doesnt have one.

    Maybe you'e on to something?!
     
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    Aah, but - they have democracy and God on their side!!
     

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