Another angle, the superb Barcelona team ruined football as it is

1 striker, 0 strikers, other teams trying to defend against it. And for me it's just drained down into all football. Play 1 up front, pack midfield, it's totally wnak.
Hill was the the one that bored me off my season ticket. Where are the managers and teams that try to entertain and get the fans in.
Put me in charge tomorrow, I'd go 4-4-2 with wingers, loads of balls into the box and 2 strikers. So what if we lose, it happens anyway.
Oh and what exactly are defensive midfielders? **** sake.

 

I think you have a point. Barcelona and Spain have been very successful playing this system and modern coaching is trying to emulate it. The problem is that most teams don't have players anywhere near as gifted and it just doesn't work. But I don't have any coaching badges so what the chuff do I know.

 

Thing is Mario, in Spain you might like tika taka. In this country, especially lower leagues it just doesn't cut it. We want them to have a go, and get at them.

 

Certainly 3/4 years ago it became the trendy thing to have a 'young' manager who played a poor mans Barca style. Plenty of managers have been elevated above their potential because they play this trendy brand, like Martinez. Personally it bores the tits off me and annoys me because instead of playing the Barca/Spanish way, we should be coaching our players to play to our strengths in this country, energy, fast paced, strong attacking football. Most of Fergies Man Utd teams are the way football should be played. Fast attacking football and shoot at any decent opportunity.


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I agree, there is a world of difference between Barcelona playing it and us playing it in the English third division.

 

Especially when our manager is trying to suggest a 5 5 5 formation.

All well and good and understandable but we don't often have 5 up front that I can see

 

Barcelona ruined football? **** me.

Best club side of my lifetime & play the most entertaining football.

Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Pedro, Suarez & Neymar for starters.

Teams passing the ball gets called Barcelona style but Barca always had a striker or wide player that could hurt teams.

These bang average English teams that pass the ball a lot aren't copying Barca they're copying all the bang average Spanish teams that play passing football in the Spanish second tier

 

Ronaldinho didn't play in a tiki taka side, he was at Barca when Rijkaard was in charge and they played a 4-3-3 system in most cases with Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Giuly up front which was exciting to watch, it was only until Pep Guardiola took over that they started playing this ultra controlling style of football. Bring back total football, it's just as impossible to achieve but at least it would be entertaining.

 

That team was never boring.

Yaya Toure sitting, Xavi & Iniesta either side & a front 3 of Messi, Ronaldinho & Eto'o with 2 attack minded full backs.

They were all out attack

 

No I'm not.

People always say copying Barcelona when teams retain the ball more but Barcelona also had flair players & pressed high up the pitch. They weren't a team built around just hogging possession.

It's not Barca's fault that a lot of average English clubs have copied a part of their game badly.

The people ruining football are the ones coaching flair out of players & producing the Tom Cleverley's & Joe Allens of the world or in our case Rothwell.

 

I follow a team called C.D Toledo who play in one of Spains 3rd divisions. Just like everyone else in their league they play tika tika very well. You will never see a hoof. Unlike in this country there are no big physical players or micheal brown types.

I reckon if you put Tony Pulis's Stoke team in La Liga they would do very well. In this country especially in league 1 you have to be prepared for teams like Bradford who will try to bully you.

 

Barcelona have always played this way. It's the Johan Cruyff way. As far back as Romario,Stoickov,Rivaldo,Kluivert, Figo, Ronaldinho
They just weren't as successful. It's on been highlighted the past 5 years cos they've swept all before them

 

Yeah, i said they were exciting to watch in my post because it was attacking and not tiki taka but that was with Rijkaard and not Pep.

 

I suggest you watch the 2009 and 2011 Champions League finals...

 

Man Utd were a better side than Barca in 2009, no question. One game, that went Barca's way in every conceivable way, doesnt mean they wernt.


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Horn
Joyce
Evans
Mccarthy
Chambers
Barrowclough
Glavin
Banks
Parker
McHale
Aylott


Anything after that was second best.

 

Promoted to the top flight were they?

 

I take it you didnt go in the 2002/2003 season?


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Yes. Not so much teams poorly copying the passing game but the buffoons at the fa saying look at them they can beat anyone and trying to instill that style of play within the youth development of the English game.

If we as a coutry copied a blue print for youth development it should have been the Germans. Then once the foundations are in place build from there.

If the fa et al had balls and stood ulto the premier league stating all teams must have 5 player's in the matchday squad that qualify fpr a home nations team then within two tournaments wed improve vastly in performances.