At the end fo the season..

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  1. MDG

    MDG Well-Known Member

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    We should submit a legal claim for the league positions lost due to Chris Morgans actions against Hume.

    Absolutely no difference in Sheffield Utd claiming that the influence of ONE player led to their relegation as we could claim that the loss of ONE player who had scored approx 1 in 3 games would have led to a better league position, especially if we end up getting relegated and losing out on 15 million tv money next season.

    Our whole legal case should be based on and refer to the Sheffield Utd case as a precedent as the situation could be related so easily.

    I see our only problem being that our owners / directors seem to have given up the ghost whereas Sheffield Utd continued to whinge and whine whenever they had the opportunity. I will be very disappointed should we not put some legal challenge forward at the end of the season.
     
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    While I will be absolutely disgusted if we do
     
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    Don't think the club has given up the ghost in terms of Hume - it's just that the impact of his injury & any subsequent action is not yet known..... no point in sueing now for lost earnings/ win bonuses for half a season, when the impact may be much bigger.
    My guess is that if/ when he makes a comeback, they'll delay any claim until they can be sure that there is no lasting impact to his playing ability/ career opportunity. There's the possibility he could come back & have repercussions which would then be part of a claim. Could take years.
     
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    The owner hasn't given up on it, I'm sure of that.

    Cryne's just not the type to bairn on to the media incessently like McCabe.

    I'm sure this isn't over from a compo perspective. They'll have a look after the season's over so the impact can be assessed (i.e. its a lot worse if we go down, but not the £15m you mention, think its £3m).

    The problem the club, or Hume will have if they take legal action against Morgan and/or Utd is proving intent. The reason the FA didn't invoke their exceptional circumstances powers to intervene was because they didn't feel it could be proved that Morgan intended to do it.

    That said, intentional or not, it was Morgan's fault and therefore there may be legal grounds for a claim.
     
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    Ok, so you are happy for the club to lose out financially! Maybe you'll be buying a season ticket for Sheff Utd next season?
     
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    "Maybe you'll be buying a season ticket for Sheff Utd next season?"

    Yes, that's what I'll be doing. FFS
     
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    What do you know about owt?

    Oh, you said the same as me. Thats alright then
     
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    15 million for all championship clubs next season in tv money, therefore if we are relegated then yes we would lose that!
     
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    See ya then!
     
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    £15million per club?

    Its nowhere near that much.
     
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    Either that or..

    because the club starting making noises about legal action and the FA shat it...
     
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    A claim for what?

    Are we the first club to lose a player through injury? You'd think we were with the way people go on. We've absolutely no grounds for a claim and any attempt to make one will seriously sully the club in my eyes.

    And let me make this clear before I get jumped on, should Iain Hume's career be put in jeopardy because of this injury then he has every reason to put in a claim. But for the club to make a claim because we have an injured player is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
     
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    Where does all this claiming compo end though..

    will we see claims against referees when they make mistakes that cost points that could have kept someone up....
     
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    The precedent has been set

    That one player can influence a club's finishing position.</p>

    ipso facto we potentially have a case.</p>

    However, I'd be appalled if we pursued them on that basis - Sheff Utd and McCabe in particular have been shown to be whinging persecution complex junkies. If Hume wishes to take action v Morgan for the incident then that's a different matter.
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    I agree...

    Hume could put a private claim in - that has certainly happened before.
     
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    Well 3 million per season over 3 years, plus increased sponsor money etc. I would say we would lose a good 15 million by getting relegated. Could you see us bouncing back in one season? It didn't happen last time.
     
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    Depends how the season ends

    If we stay up, the club should let it drop. If we go down, there's a case. Hume is a £1.2 million signing who has been sidelined due to the actions of an opposing player. If it can be proved that he intended to elbow him, we'd be due compo. No different to Utd claiming off West Ham.

    I think the most likely action is that Hume will personally go after Morgan through the courts.
     
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    I guess bitterness towards Sheff Utd now for the ridiculous action taken against West Ham for them being not good enough to stay in the prem. Thats whats drving me mad ! Why should they profit??? And I do agree that morally our claim would be as equally ridiculous so lets put the claim in should we win, donate it to charities to help people with head injuries. Just as long as Sheff Utd don't profit from this situation.
     
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    Agree

    Hume is entitled to pursue his own claim, and I think the club may offer to help him do that, but I hope we don't go down the route of seeking our own compensation(for the club) It will be never-ending.
     
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    RE: Depends how the season ends

    Even if we are relegated I would be appalled if we pursued action through the courts. Hundreds of clubs have been relegated with injured players in their squads, many of the players injured in reckless challenges, but no club has ever had the gall to challenge the relegation legally. It just a stupid idea and I would hope it was dismissed out of hand.

    You say it's no different to Utd claiming from West Ham. Maybe you're right, but look at the reaction Utd have got from taking that course of action. They've been universally condemned. So on the one hand Utd are slagged off and on the other we want our club to do the same thing? No thank you.

    If we are to be relegated then let's go with a bit of dignity and admit we just weren't good enough.
     
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