Aviation after brexit

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  1. orsenkaht

    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    Interesting story on Sky News today. [And I know loads will jump up and say "can't believe owt Murdoch's men say", etc, etc, yawn]. They report that the government is drawing up secret plans to accede to continuing ECJ jurisdiction over aviation after brexit in the event that no satisfactory overall deal is reached. Clearly they have concluded that whatever our trading relationship, we need to have continuing access to the skies over Europe both for leisure and business.

    I like the sound of this, because I want to be able to continue to go to Lanzarote after March 2019. But it makes you wonder how many other sectors might end up being classed as 'special cases', and (if you're a remoaner like me) whether what we gain will prove to have been worth it. And I won't even get started on Ireland.
     
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    Well given the choice of remaining in the EASA or leaving and finding we cant fly to the Americas or Europe and probably not Asia either its sort of a no brainer.
    Mindyou we have come out of Euratom and thats just as barmy
     
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    Doesn't sound like it's going to be a problem , certainly as far as Spain is concerned.

    http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-n...e-british-tourists-keep-arriving-post-brexit/
     
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    Planes fly all over the world from all over the world. The idea that we can't fly planes to Europe after brexit is frankly ridiculous.
     
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    I think with respect, you're missing the point. It is about the regime under which we operate, having not had the necessary reciprocal agreements for the period of our EU membership.
     
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    Ita about free airspace.tge price of landing fees

    For exMole why do you rhink the low cost airlines dont fly to Dubai for example
     
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    I appreciate what it is all about. However, when taking into account the raft of complicated and troublesome negotiations that need to be completed, I just can't get worked up about this one at all. It seems to me to be one of the least troublesome areas to complete negotiations on, because there is absolutely no benefit to any party, either ourselves, or any European country that we fly to, to not just get the box ticked and get it sorted.

    Perhaps I am naïve, and perhaps that is a simplistic viewpoint, but I would bet bloody good money that it will be a non issue.
     
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    Think there'll be a lot less flights and more expensive imo.
    It'll be end of budget airlines in UK as we know them.
    There'll be lots more to India and Pakistan and USA but the lower waged will struggle for cheap hols in the sun imo
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    I will put it in to context for 5000 yorkshire jobs, are dependant on the opensky agreement
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    YOU are absolutely correct
     
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    I fear I am tbh.
    The tory Brexiteer MP who stood up in parliament to speak against Runway extensions and said we don't want more people from places such as Sheffield using our airports will be dancing in the streets .
    I know he used Sheffield as a dig to Nick Clegg but his sentiment was national imo.
     
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    As I understand it, without being in the OpenSkies agreement, we can only have flights from National careers (British Airways, Air France, etc) to international airports. Inside OpenSkies it opens up flights from non-national careers (EasyJet, RyanAir, etc) to non-international airports (Doncaster, Leeds Bradford, etc).

    Falling outside of the EASA would leave us without a body to certify the airworthiness of planes and ensure they can fly throughout Europe and into other jurisdictions (USA, etc).

    Being out of one would make it a lot quieter around our airports (with lots of job losses), both would open up quite a lot of brownfield land for housing developments.
     
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    Like I said, I simply can't envisage that being allowed to happen. It will be sorted.
     
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    There’s plenty of stuff like that though.
     
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    If you read my post above the Spanish seem to have got it sorted already...I'm sure everyone else will be the same.
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    I can assure that this isnt the perception
    In on the industry
     
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    Wonder how we'll go on when Spain, Greece, Portugal and Ireland leave the eu?
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    By paying considerably more
     
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    Absolutely no chance of Ireland leaving.
     
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    When Greece do, they'll borrow money to pay back money they've borrowed and their beautiful citizens will suffer for it.
    A similar stream that Hitler tapped into after the economic stranglehold from the First World War.
     
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