Terrible terrible news. Rip and condolences to his family. I just hope that people are as tolerant of those with mental illness as they are of the myriad other subjects discussed on here following this news.
He was seriously depressed and not thinking straight. That said, he's been done twice for drink-driving so he is a bit of a dick.
There was a bloke on the radio talking about incidents like this and the Carlisle case specifically and he was saying that they do make a conscious decision when they choose to try and kill themselves - they know the effects their actions may have. He was qualified and he has a history of mental illness himself but he couldn't clearly explain why they choose what appears to be such a selfish act rather than taking a bottle of pills in their own home. It was a very interesting interview and he was in no way trying to imply that Carlisle was a dick.
Depression doesn't mean you're incapable of thinking straight. You spend a lot of time thinking about how to end it, why you should end it, how to make a clean job of it, because you don't want to make a mess of it and have your family walk in on you half alive in a pool of blood, or heaving up vodka and pills. It doesn't mean that you're incapable of basic humanity - not wanting to traumatise some poor sod who was only doing his job.
Depression doesn't mean you're incapable of thinking straight. You spend a lot of time thinking about how to end it, why you should end it, how to make a clean job of it, because you don't want to make a mess of it and have your family walk in on you half alive in a pool of blood, or heaving up vodka and pills. It doesn't mean that you're incapable of basic humanity - not wanting to traumatise some poor sod who was only doing his job.
Well said. Clarke Carlisle has ruined an whole family and wider group of friends etc due to his actions. If you can plan that you will walk to a motorway and step in front of a vehicle, you can plan to not involve other people to wreck other lives if you wish to take your own. Extremely sad what has happened.
Is it not possible that you could be in such a place that you only have one thing going round and round in your head and are incapable of thinking rationally about the effects?
I would think if he's there enough to plan it so well as to go to where he did and do what he did that it wasn't a spare of the moment thing. I hope Clarke is getting the help he needs. I will never understand why those who want to kill themselves feel the need to involve innocent parties. But at this moment my thoughts are mainly with the death of an innocent man and the pain and anguish his loved ones must be feeling.
I am not "defending" Clarke Carlise; ultimately, whatever gloss or slant is put on this, but for Clarke Carlisle stepping out that day this chap would likely still be alive. At the same time some of these comments judge Clarke Carlisle from a very logical and 'hindsight' point of view. A level of capacity he didn't have at the time. No one castigates a man with a broken leg for not walking. When all this happened his mind was utterly broken. That's not to say that I wouldn't blame him if it were a member of my family - but this isn't black and white.
Not really. The interview I listened to suggested that he didn't just decide at that split second that he was going to kill himself - he suggested that it was planned and that he'd probably been depressed for some time.
