Barnsley v Birmingham City 31st December 2016

If Yiadom stays we will only have four players available for selection from the starting eleven that day when we kick off against Johnno on 5th August.

Can anyone think of any other club, not in dire in financial straits, who allowed so many first team players to leave in such a short space of time? I think it must be unprecedented.

 

Best get yer sen off to bed.

 

Huddersfield last season. New players in capitals.

WARD; Smith, SCHINDLER, HEFELE, LOWE; Hogg, VAN LA PARRA, MOOY, BROWN, KACHUNGA; Wells.

 

Wow really? I didn't realise. It's not like you bring it up often.

Look to the future and be excited for the players we've signed and will further sign.

 

Who were the seven or eight first team players they lost/sold? Or did they replace with upgrades and move the other players on?

 

Yer right - although it's exciting times with all the players coming in........ it's also a worry.

Usually how it worked was that a club would bring in 3 or 4 players per year to improve the squad - then if the club looked like pushing for promotion then a couple of better players were brought in.

Only during Admin when a full team had to be found have I ever seen owt like what's happening now.

We have seen some cheaper but potentially good British players brought in - we need to see a few continental wingers and strikers brought in now for around the £1M mark.

 

O is the straightforward answer.


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If you wish to be excited then so be it. I'll view the coming season with trepidation.

 

They sold/released Smithies, Coady, Butterfield, Vaughan, Hammill, Holt, Stead, Gerrard etc all in one summer. Their fans went nuts. This was after previously flogging Rhodes, Pilkington and Clayton. Their owner was given untold grief.

Looks like they've played a blinder since, invested wisely, gambled even.

And now they are throwing £50m at the Prem.

If it makes you feel better, then fair enough, no club has ever lost so many players so quickly. I was just highlighting the fact that an unfancied club did quite well with a nearly brand new team.

Not saying we can do that, but neither do I think it's the end of the world scenario that some are projecting upon the forum.

 

Hammill, Holt, Stead and Gerrard all went down a division or two. They were moved on to improve the squad.

Rhodes went for £12m. Bit more than we got for our top striker.

Didn't Clayton go as part of the Butterfield deal?

 

No, separate deals. But again, we will just end up going round the houses on this because both of us have opposing views on it and whilst I'm capable of acknowledging the point you're making (again) which is that we've lost a load of players in a very short timescale, you'll not acknowledge my point, which is that it's not beyond the realms of reality that clubs can rebuild sides quickly and in the instance I referred to, very successfully.

Yes, of the side who got us up, of the side even who started last season, or that of December 31st or whenever, not many players remain. It's been a huge and quick turnaround and whilst we got two and three good years of service out of them and in some cases, good money subsequent to that, it's surely harder to rebuild and rejig and still compete.

But I understand the plan. I fully understand it. I accept the reasons why every one of those players left and I wouldn't have done anything differently either. Despite our amazing last two seasons of growth, from the bottom of L1 to 14th in the division above, the plan and the clubs path isn't going to be perfect, bulletproof or super quick. But we seem on calm seas at present. I can't remember us being in such a healthy position for many a year.

And I am excited about this new campaign.

It might well go badly, I haven't a clue. But as much as I appreciated the players who've now left and what they achieved here, they weren't world beating, un-replaceable talents. They were good players, team players, they bought into the system and thrived because of it. And so I hope this new batch attack their time at our beloved club with the same attitude.

Here's hoping.

(Really am off to kip now)

 

Whats your point mr happy?

 

Puts things into perspective for me. Huddersfield are spending £50 million on new players.
On the other hand Arsenal splashed £52 million on striker Alexandre Lacazette.
They are also contemplating signing Riyad Mahrez from Leicester and are ready to table
an £80 million bid to meet Monaco's valuation of their winger Thomas Lemar.
They will also have to cough up if they want to keep hold of Ozil and Sanchez.
Nice problem to have though.!

Lacazette age 26 has agreed a five year contract on a reported £200k per week.
How could we ever hope to compete with that.? Big worry if you're a Town fan even with parachute
payments even if they are relegated and they can't get shut of their high earners they could end up in deep doodo.!
Sheer madness and in the long run surely unsustainable.?

 

I think it's quite legitimate to be concerned that starting a season in a very challenging league with a new untried team is a gamble - it might pay off, it might not .

It's also legitimate to wonder at what exactly 'the plan' is when Mawson is sold the night before a local derby, our most creative midfielder, promising young defender and top scorer are sold mid season, and our other most effective attacker and midfield lynchpin are allowed to go after their contracts run down (there may be mitigating circumstances but that's what has happened)

Also when the one player that sums us up - a local lad who had to drop down the pyramid then fought his way back to become an integral part of our recent success is sold when it appears he would have stayed.

We now have a new team - I hope and pray that Hecky and his staff can work with these lads to build on the last 2 seasons - if he struggles though it isn't all his fault. He's playing the cards that he's been dealt by his employers. They are asking a massive amount of Hecky and the staff - let's hope it works out. You Reds etc.

 

You're going to have to start writing posts in Latin again soon Conan.

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Shouldn't you be driving around the streets of a village in West Yorkshire. Really slowly.

 

No need. We all know it's unprecedented- despite what Whitey has tried to claim above.

Extremely Northern has expanded on the original point perfectly. As he's not me let's see if we get any responses, and if we do, will they be reasoned responses or just pointless platitudes based on nowt but blind faith.

 

I suppose there isn't much that I can say which hasn't been said already. I am firmly in the blind faith camp, because I naturally try and look at the best in every situation. The fact is that none of us know how quickly the new players will bed in, how quickly we'll get our first win, and whether or not there will be another fire sale in January.

For me, you've to give our recruitment team some credit. Over the past 3 or 4 seasons, we've had a pretty good success rate in terms of transfers compared to the 3 or 4 seasons prior. Whatever that method seems to be, it is working. This is why I have hope that we've recruited the right players (and continue to recruit the right players as we're still at least 4 short).

In terms of the level of turnover in players, without looking into detail, I can't say for certain whether another team has had significant success after a full rebuild, although I think Blackpool got promoted to the Premier league the first time on a brand new squad if I remember rightly. With the distinct lack of loyalty in football now, I reckon it's not as uncommon as you might think.

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I do give the recruitment team credit, but this time it's different. Practically every player needs to be a success and the law of averages (and common sense) says that won't happen. The team that took us to 7th in the table in January took two years to build starting with the signings of Winnall and Hourihane. We are now bringing in seven new players to the first team (eight if Yiadom goes) with very little experience at this level and hoping they will not only take a step up in quality but also gel in a very short space of time. We are also still recruiting from the same sort of levels we were when "the plan" began so I don't really see any evidence of us moving into a new phase.