Can I ask a non racist question re terrorism

Given the fanatics we are facing in this country at the moment who are frankly prepared to sacrifice as many innocent lives as they can to further their cause, how long can we continue being a tolerent society before we take the gloves off.

Why do we consider these people have any human rights left, when caught they have information about other members of their cells, they know of other acts of horror about to be committed and if we stopped playing by the rules we could prevent an awful lot of needless deaths. I'm not advocating torture or anything like that but surely there are non harmful drugs that would loosen tongues and save time and effort wasted trying to get committed terrorists to talk.

Is it barbaric and does it make us no better than them...I really dont have an answer but I would back it with out blinking from a personal point of view.

Would anyone else back such action or do you all consider it is lowering us to a level we dont want to be at.

BT

 

i would back punishment and "serious action" to get them to speak, just like the good old days.

plus, the terrorists do that to who the kidnap anyway, give em it back i say!

 

Those that carried out the attack on Glasgow airport survived, in my opinion, they should be whisked away for lengthy questioning, then, hung.

 

problem is

although I do not claim to be an expert on Islamic extremists, I was under the impression they wanted to die and therefore achieve martyrdom???

therefore wouldn't a life prison sentence having been "persuaded" to give out more information be a more effective punishment for these type of people.

 

Also.........

instead of letting criminals out of prison early due to overcrowding, why not bring back the death penalty to get rid of lifers? That would make plenty of space.

 

You'll probably find that a lot of persuasive heavy handed questioning goes on anyway.

 

of course there is the government's own favoured alternative

free up space in prisons by letting criminals out, now why did nobody think of that earlier? S)



let Gene Hunt have a go at those terrorists I say (battered)

 

An interesting point.

Unfortunately, governments, unlike terrorists, sign up to UN agreements and things like the Geneva convention....now I see the argument for "they do it so we should to them" but that really just brings us down to their level.
And doesn't the violence then beget more violence, leads more people into extremism?
Using drugs or torture to extract information - how do you guarantee that the information you've extracted is correct?

Where we will get more information is in cases like the bomb outside the night-club that didn't go off, the forensic teams can gather so much information from that.

As to the death penalty, well that's a completely different issue and I don't condone it in any circumstances, although there have been instances when I've wavered on that opinion.

 

Make them

Eat pork. That'll sort 'em!

 

aye, starve 'em for a week or so

then slap a pork chop with a big dollop of apple sauce in front of them

 

Or

A full English with a pint of ale to wash it down with.

 

I would draw the line at torture - if for no other reason than the resulting information isn't always reliable. Look at some of the miscarriages of justice linked to IRA bombs - sleep deprivation and heavy handed tactics resulted in a lot of wrongful convictions due to forced confessions.

Drugs, I dunno, if they can be guaranteed reliable then maybe...

However, being a tolerant society and opposing terrorism are not mutually exclusive...

I know this might be a bit controversial but everyone has human rights - what those rights are, fundamentally, is open to debate, but recognising them is what separates us from the sort of countries we're spilling a lot of blood invading...

 

You'll be turning me into a terrorist with punishment like that!

 

Or, just before they hang, let them know that their bodies........

will be sewn into pigskins, lets see them walk around paradise in them.

 

Me too

But you've got to admit, something like that would be anathema to the sort of terrorists we're facing at the moment.

 

Will the general public who "got hold" of them be done for gbh?

You watch, I bet they get more punishment than the terrorists.
You can see it, can't you, two downtrodden suspects sue for gbh under British law.

 

RE: Will the general public who "got hold" of them be done for gbh?

Aye, the PC/Human Rights brigade will be in overdrive with their usual Ballax....

 

RE: Will the general public who "got hold" of them be done for gbh?

Reasonable force to make a citizen's arrest - so I suspect not