Can I be controversial (for a change)

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  1. SuperTyke

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

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    And say that I don't think Flitcroft's performance from a tactical and on the pitch performances point of view has been as good as people have made out. He seemed to get lucky with the 3-5-2 that had been thought about by him and Keith Hill and when injuries dictated that he needed to make a change from that lineup he was found wanting and struggled to get the right tactics which led to some dire games and poor results. He then got it together again and we got a few good results, then a few poor ones, then a couple of good ones to take us over the line.

    For this reason I don't think Flitcroft will be in such high demand that some think he will be. To the outside world he did exactly as I said above. He went on a lucky streak during the honeymoon period, got found out and lost a few relying on someone else to keep us up on the last day.


    That said, you could also argue that Danny Wilson got lucky with the line-up and formation that saw us promoted to the premiership. He didnt have many injuries that season and didn't need to change an awful lot.

    And to be honest the results, the tactical successes and failures and the on the pitch performances and none performances that we witnessed under him this season are only a tiny part of the real story. What I think really shows his quality and his ability is his commitment, passion, intelligence and articulation and his motivational skills which are second to none and certainly the best that I remember at Oakwell (including Wilson). And also his willingness to learn from his mistakes and put pride to one side for the good of the team. By that I mean doing what his mate point blank refused to do in bringing Bobby Hassell back into the side when he was needed. I firmly believe that if he had refused to do that then we would now be a league one side. Fortunately he proved that he isn't Keith Hill and that he is a better manager and better person and for the reasons given above I think that he is the best long term prospect for the managers job down at Oakwell.

    Sorry for rambling. In short: On the pitch, some good, some bad, not as good as people make out but can be improved with experience Off the pitch: bloody brilliant and that cannot be taught
     
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    Stopped reading after that. B0llocks. Check the table since he took over, it doesnt really fit with what you just spouted. But without doubt some luck was involved as it is with every football manager. They worked there c0cks off and got what they deserved.
     
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    "not as good as people make out". wow. think you might be on your own there mate
     
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    I've been watching Barnsley Football Club this season

    I've no idea which team you've been watching, but it certainly isn't the same one as me. I don't recognise the team you're describing whatsoever.
     
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    That's ******** that is.

    Bye bye......
     
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    Re: I've been watching Barnsley Football Club this season

    Possibly because I didn't describe a team?
     
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    You can be controversial, but you risk being stuck in the loony bin.
     
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    How is that not to do with the team. Do you realise what you type or are you deliberately awkward?
     
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    All for a reaction, Frankie Boyle of the bbs, ******
     
  10. SuperTyke

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    It is 'to do with' the team but it isn't a description of the team.

    I just don't happen to think that Flitcroft got it right every single week and I think that his naivety and lack of experience showed at times with the team selections and formations that he picked. I also stated quite clearly that I felt that as he gets more experienced he will make less mistakes and will grow as a manager as he has already shown that he is willing to admit he has been wrong, and that his ambition, heart, effort and motivational skills make him the best manager I've seen at Oakwell.

    Sorry if I didn't say that he shits glitter.
     
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    In the space of three posts youve gone from pissing on the parade to a sensible concise post. Amusing. But i agree with that description far more than the original rambling.
     
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    Try reading the original rambling again. All of it and not just one line of it. You'll find that I said the same things in that post as I did in the one you've just quoted.
     
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    #13 Mr C, May 5, 2013
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    Go on then.... :)

    Because that other bit wasn't. Flitcroft would be the first to admit he didn't get it right every time. Show mw a manager who does! :)
     
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    #14 Omen, May 5, 2013
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    thats not controversial thats downright disrespectful in my book

    Have you sat there thinking of a way to discredit him and the amazing feat he and his players have pulled off?

    Without him we would be down, gone to league one for 5,6,7 years or more. Who knows.... he is the one that believed in the players, and who saw what was wrong under hill and changed it. hes a new manager learning the ropes and in his first 30 games has taken us to a fa cup quarter and 4th best team in the league whilst playing a game less, united the club and the fan base and given the club back to the fans. Not to mention the jobs that have been saved.

    Shake yersen and think again what you posted.
     
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    I mean really? You will say to the outside but the inference would be that your in agreement mostly with the outside world. Extremely negative vibe to it but ill agree to disagree and the two posts were much of the same..
     
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    What played to the dictated tactics?

    What you've described is no different to Hemsworth Tyke's tirade against German football and no amount of pedantry on your part will alter that.
    We've had a wonderful four months under David Flitcroft. The football has been easy on the eye, produced excellent results and was successful in maintaining our Championship status. Yesterday was as great a day for our club as we've had for a very long time. However, instead of enjoying the occasion, you've spent the day claiming to know the financial state of the club, knowing how much spare cash the club has available to it and now been extremely derogatory towards the manager's tactical footballing knowledge, claiming any success he's achieved with his abilities has been down to 'luck'.
    Sorry mate, but I couldn't disagree with your opinion more.
     
  17. LiverpoolRed

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    No he isn't going to get it right every week - new manager learning his trade. My respect for him went up after the Charlton game - he could have caved in after that game but he picked us up and kept us in it. Guy has performed nothing short of miracles and this post is ridiculous at best!
     
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    We struggled at times because our squad was threadbare due to these injuries, not because he couldn't adapt the line up because of them. We lost Stones, Golbourne, Dawson, Etuhu, Cranie, Foster and Hassell for extended periods but coped admirably without them. We were filling the bench with academy players at one point.

    To the outside world he's kept up a Barnsley side that were dead and buried at New Year. The bookies had as favourites to go down at the start of the season, never mind mid way through after a dreadful run of results. We're 4th in the table if you start the season when he was given the job permanently. That hasn't gone unnoticed.

    The turnaround has been nothing short of remarkable. Our tactics changed dramatically under Flicker and that's what's made the difference since the new year. Yes he's passionate and committed but you need more than that to win football games.
     
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    Flitcroft is... The Inspirational one
     
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    Spot-on. Couldn't give a flying f*** about tactics, team selection or formation etc. We're in the Championship next season thanks to Flicker.
     

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