Can i just say re:Davey

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  1. Gue

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    I didnt want Davey as manager and i still dont want Davey as manager. Just to make it clear that i havent changed my mind.
    You are welcome to say i told you so if we get promoted this season (even those of you who keep changing your minds about him)
    Am i the only one who really doesnt think he should be in charge?
     
  2. Isl

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    Is it that important to you that people you've never met know whether you're going to be right or wrong somewhere down the line?
     
  3. S.M.

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    just you.
     
  4. Gue

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    If we got promoted why would you still not want him as manager ?</p>

    I didn't want him in charge, especially after getting appointed after one of the most abject displays of any Barnsley team in recent years against Wednesday. I had questions about how he dealt with certain situations and players, but then again, it's his neck on the line. He'll want his men around him, those he thinks will do the job both on and off the field.</p>

    I don't know if we've had an exceptional start to the season and if we're now going to revert to struggling for points, but if the team continues to develop and we climb the league and show progress then whatever I think/thought about him is irrelevant, it's all about BFC not about individuals.</p>
     
  5. Gue

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    That's not just him on here though....
     
  6. BFC Dave

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    I'm going to the doctors

    ... I find myself involuntarily nodding in agreementwhilst reading your posts. That cannot be right and I need to see a <strike>psico psyhc </strike>er... shrink. Can I place it on record though that I thought you were short and irrespective of how you perform during the current year with leg lengthening operations, platform shoes or stripper heels, I said you were short.
     
  7. Gue

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    Stick wi' me sithi

    I'm always correct. And short.
     
  8. Ori

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    I didn't want him as manager, but then again I didn't want Wilson as manager when he got the job.

    Since he took over he managed the team that kept their place in this division (which was the goal at the time) and he has managed the team that (recent results aside) appears to be capable of a mid-table finish (which was the goal at the start of the season)

    Frankly, he's proving his worth so far to me so I'm willing to accept that I was hasty in my judgment of him early doors.

    If the fantasy scenario of promotion were to arise I can't for the life of me imagine then why you wouldn't want him as manager - he'd be a miracle worker!
     
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    Should do what most people on here do. Say something very generic and non-committal, then come back to haunt people with a selectively edited version of what was said in a few months time. Or not, as the case may be.

    I am Oliver North. Although I don't recall saying that.
     
  10. Gue

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    I totally agree, i didnt want davey as manager, and i still dont, why have we had to follow other teams and buy lots of foreign players? whats wrong with giving the english players have a chance to show, and people wonder why the national team is struggling!!
     
  11. Wat

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    I didn't want davey

    and to be honest I think he has done well but not as well as some people think, for me it was more Nards that kept us up and the fatc that Leeds could not buy a win!

    I also think we are getting ahead of ourselves with new contract talks, promotion, were only 12 games into the season and the start is good but I always think you should judge a manager over a season.

    To be honest the football has not been the best and I think we are starting to get found out a little more in games now so for me I am still pessermistic about Davey?
     
  12. Gue

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    the reason i made this point was

    because so many people on here are chopping and changing their minds about Davey. A couple of weeks ago people were thinking he was doing a great job. Now some are worrying because of a couple of poor performances.
    The post was in jest to peoples ridiculous wavering viewpoints from one game to the next.
    But my point is still that i dont think he should be in charge, Thats been my opinion from the day he was appointed and is still my opinion now. For me he hasnt done anything yet to justify being talked about as being headhunted for a Premiership job nor should we be talking about offering him a new contract.
    I think people misread what the post said. I was just sticking my neck out to say you can take the p*ss out of me if we go up because then i would have been proved wrong and i wil gladly admit i was.
     
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    What if we finish 14th?

    Can we take the piss out of you then? As that would surely be a finish that would justify him getting the job in the first place?

    Or is promotion the only thing that will make you adit you were wrong?
     
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    take the piss anyway he's a plastic Oirishman.
     
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    RE: the reason i made this point was

    Ok, fair point about people wavering in their opinion week to week…but a blindly stated, "I didn't want him, I still don't want him and no matter what he does I don't want him" is also not a valid reaction.
    He wasn't my choice when he was appointed, but as soon as he was appointed then I supported him - it's about the team and he is the manager, we've had too much instability at the club and while ever we improve, year on year, then that is progress, Davey kept us up last season and we've had a good start yet with a lot of new players. The last couple of results have been a reality check for a few people who were getting carried away, I maintained that a midtable finish this season would be a good improvement for the club.
     
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    to be honest

    if we stay up again then I wll be happy with him, people might laugh but consolidation has to be the target this year and if that means finish we finish a place above relegation or in 7th place then so be it. Burnley had a horrible run last year which can happen to any team, Luton sold there best players and were relegated after a good start. Sunderland poor start but were promoted, the season can quickly turn around

    People are too quick to judge and talk of new contracts now is nonsense, give him a new contract at the end of the season if we stay up but at the minute we are simply getting carried away with things aka AR last season!

    Overall I do not think the team is as good as people think and the main problem is expectations have been risen through GS and PC comments as well as the start we had which means if we start to struggle we are going to get the negetive comments.

    I still think it is going to be a struggle this season and consolidation is all that matters!
     
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    Whats wrong with changing your mind when new evidence comes to light?

    And no I dont mean every 2 games but you can certainly adjust an opinion over time

    I didn't want Davey - I dont think many did after the debacle against Wednesday, but he had one clear goal - which he achieved last season which was to stay up. This in my opinion means that the board made a good choice in appointing him.

    Having done that he certainly deserved a chance to build his own team, which he is well into the process of doing. I assume the board have set him a target of consolidation this season - anywhere outside the bottom 3rd will be a fair achievement. If he manages that he will again demonstrate the board was correct to back him with the money he has spent.

    It looks as though we will have good spells and bad spells this season (like just about every one else - QPR Washday and Watford excepted) and personally now I want him to stay in charge for the rest of the season I do reserve the right to change my mind if our form goes into a prolonged nosedive and we lose the next 10 games though.

    I dont think we need to be too worried about premiership clubs stealing him - there are plenty of managers with proven track records about and I dont think saving us from the 3rd division is likely to have top clubs sniffing round him (Though Bolton could probably have done worse if looking for someone to keep them up - oops I think they did)

    As for contract talks - I assume he was appointed on a relatively low salary based on his experience and the risk of relegation - doesnt seem too unreasonable to renegotiate based on what he has achieved. I cant see Shep offering him anything silly
     
  18. Gue

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    Its not a case of

    Not wanting him at the club whatever he does. I didnt say that. What i did say is that he hasnt done anything to change my mind from my original thought that he was the wrong choice.
    Firstly i think Leeds failure was the main reason we stopped up. We played poorly lost important games and got a hammering at the end of the season.
    Ok we got enough points to stop up and im assuming that is the argument for keeping Davey so fair enough.
    Before the season began i thought he had gone overboard with the signings, buying too many players with not enough talent or knowledge of this league we are in and at the same time getting shut of one or two who were probably better than what he brought in and at the same time ignoring the youth system.
    After ten games we were around the play offs and the majority were getting carried away. Personally i couldnt see why as i thought the football we had played at Oakwell had been poor generally. We got hammered in the first game, won one of the poorest games ever against Scunny, and were second best for 70 mins against Cardiff. Ok we got a good result against Bristol (which unfortunately i missed) but i haven't seen a match that i thought was worth the money.
    So since then another game where we were second best for the majority against Burnley (only looking dangerous with set pieces) and a defeat at Hull where we barely managed a shot and we have started to drop.
    For me thats a fair argument to still have doubts about Daveys ability even if you guys dont agree.
     
  19. Loko the Tyke

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    F**k off Leeds' failure

    How did they fail? They gained less points over a season than we did, as we were a better side than them.

    Last season we had to be better than 3 other teams.

    If my memory serves me right, we took 4 points off the scum, 6 points off Southend, and 4 (or even 6?) from Luton. So therefore we won the important games as we beat the teams around us.

    You really are in cuckoo land with that last post
     
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