Can we have a defnitive answer on this

Were the squad under performing under Davey or are they just ****?

 

When Davey was in charge it was the first.

Now he's gone, it's the latter.

There you go.

 

we have some poor and some decent players, davey couldn't motivate them

had no tactical knowledge, and played them in ridiculous positions.
thread closed, move on

 

An underperforming and unbalanced squad. nt

 

Oh come on Jay

Get out from up Davey's arse. Playing the homophobic card. Which is always high.

 

The homophobic card

Nothing for a pair - not in that game.

 

Access no areas

With the homophobic card

 

Well, what's your opinion Jay?

Ignore

 

Well, what's your opinion Jay?

If it's the players were underperforming surely that's Davey's responsibility??

If the squad's poor - who assembled it? It will be interesting to see what Robins can get out of the squad.

 

RE: The homophobic card

Generally a queen that one.

 

The racist card

Ace of Spades.

 

Very good question indeed, Jay.

I for one, can't answer, and I suspect no one on this board can either.

I feel we have some very talented players at the club, but I can't for the life of me figure out what has gone wrong. I can't put my finger on it. Ok, we're not world beaters, but we can play some good football at times. Last season, I felt all we were lacking was a good solid defender, a good attacker and a bit of luck.

Now, I'm not so sure...

I feel for Mark Robins, because something at the club, just isn't right. I can feel it in my bones.

 

RE: Well, what's your opinion Jayt nt

I believe the quality of the squad is bottom third of the championship. This hasn't changed because we sacked Davey. I don't think we particularly under performed under Davey either. We found it hard to close a game out, but we didn't under perform. We consistently played to the level of our players which is down the bottom end of the table.

Having said all that, I don't think all is lost. Add Redfearn and Hignett to this squad and we'd make the play-off easily. Get a couple of real talismanic players in to our side and we'll be fine. Simon Davey never found such players, let's hope that Mark Robins can.

What I don't understand is that when Simon Davey was here the problem was that he was incapable of getting the best out of a decent squad, but now he has gone the problem is that Robins has been left with a load of crap. Which is it, because it cannot be both, and it just confirms to me that most people just had it in for the manager.

 

I think we have the bones of a good team.

The problem is that it isn't Robin's squad. Therefore if we go down he can't be blamed. We either had to sack Davey at the end of the season and give a new manager the chance to build his own team or give him til at least til end of October to let his player bed-in. What we've done is a halfway house, sacking him just beofre the transfer window closed meaning we could neither bring anyone in or ship anyone out.

There is very little difference bewtween a good or bad manager IMHO. The diferencebetween success and failure is that everyone at the club is pulling in the same clearly defined direction. I don't know if we have that clarity of purpose.

 

I completely agree about the timing of Davey's departure

I thought he should have gone in May, which would have allowed us to bring in Paul Ince. Or if the board didn't want Ince then go for Robins at that time. There's no way you should allow a manager to spend the summer transfer budget and decide on the retained list then sack him after 5 games. It just seems ridiculous to me. If you've got that little faith in him he shouldn't be starting the season. If you have faith in him then give him some more time. We're in a terrible position due to the way we've gone about changing managers. It shouldn't have been like this, it really shouldn't.

 

I don't think the squad is as good as I once did

I am really starting to re-think my opinion on Anderson, Foster and JCR based on their performances of late while I've never rated some of the other players.

I think another manager could get more out of the players we have and we can be better than 21st position but we need a few new faces

 

Definately

Personally i would have gone for May. Not that I particularly felt Davey should definately go, but that his relationship with the fans was at such a low ebb that it was impossible for us to ever be successful under him. The hostile climate at Oakwell had just sapped the team of any confidence. But having given him the money to spend he's got to be given time. I know people will say he'd had x amount of time etc but this was a new season and new squad. Half of his signing's had even played a game. Even if we'd continued on a poor run no-one gets relegated or cut adrift in October.

Basically Davey was screwed for me. The club give him such a luke-warm backing in the summer he and the team always new he was a couple of defeats from the sack and that transmitted itself to the whole team whose confidence is shot to pieces.

 

The truth is..

that it's not nearly as cut and dried as we'd like it to be.

Some of the players brought into the club by Simon Davey are definately not good enough. No way of getting around that. Our defence would probably struggle in league one. Foster is the only half decent player we have at the back. Kozluk is dreadful, Hassell is a make weight. Moore is shot. Potter is not ready. The list goes on. Some of our better players have got to show us that they can consistently deliver - JCR being a good example, but he's not the only one. Anderson has to earn his corn too.

That being said there is potential in the squad, it needs some proven battle hardened championship quality in there, and it will take time for Robins to get them doing the basics properly - because as he has said himself - we're not doing the basics and we all know that we haven't been doing the basics properly under Davey for a long time.

The real question is - can all this be done before the season runs out?

 

i don,t think they are **** they have had bad guidance nt

 

Its like having a cake with no cream and cherry on top !