Can't understand the criticism on here of Chelski and Jose Mourinho...

Well, I can but I can't understand how people can apply that criticism and not, at the same time, also apply it to Moan Ushited and Fergie. "What goes around comes around", "Isn't going to make a statement", "Didn't give the ball back", that sort of thing. Ferguson's hardly well known for his grace in defeat and is just as likely to ignore the millions of decisions ManUre get in their favour while berating a ref for not spotting penalties etcetera. If my memory serves me correctly ManUre failed to return the ball when it'd been kicked out of play in the Milan match the other week. So what, Chelski are a money team owned by a foreign businessman but so are Man Utd - they're not beyond spending millions to win titles (Dwight Yorke, anyone? The season after they failed to win owt in 97-98). The money mad football mentality was a game devised by the Mancs, just because someone is now outplaying them at it everyone's trying to make out they're little minnows struggling against the big boys. Chelsea versus Wigan / Charlton / Bolton I could, sort of understand, but both these teams are as bad as each other.

ManUre badly done to by the refs? Mike Riley ring any bells...

 

Well said, I might start to feel sympathy for Man Utd. as a northern team once Fergie goes (as good a manager as he is). But it has always been him against the world. At least Jose is good value and admits he is sometimes full of himself. When they lose to a smaller club, he gives credit, not blames it on the kit clash/weather/ref/linesman/stopwatch/club mascot/programme sellers/etc.

He is good value and I for one will miss him if he goes... ...I am fed up of the media saying everyone hates Chelsea... ..Ii don't, I hate Fergie's Man Utd. and they have been allowed to dominate English football for too long. (N) (blagger)

So ha ha Man utd minnows?!? (givinfinger) At least there is now a reasonable four contenders at the start of a season...

 

Cant stand Chelski nt

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Why though?

If you just don't like them, fair enough but to criticise Mourinho for being a mardy-arse surely you have to slate Fergie too. If it's 'cos of the money they spend, well Ushited have frittered enough over the years. Perhaps not as much but much more than the vast majority of clubs. Wenger and Arsenal get a lot of stick but they haven't spent as much as United.

Can't understand it misen...

 

Soft Southern Jessies

Ferguson has been a whingeing get at times (name me a succesful manager that has not) but he's also probably one of the greatest managers of all time.

 

To be fair...

if you compare Fergie's playing and managerial record with that of Mourinho's - then Jose is not fit to lick his boots - yet!

Yes, I know Fergie has been in football far longer than Jose - but the former was a winner as a player as well whilst Jose certainly wasn't!

As for folk saying Jose always gives credit when 'smaller' teams beat them well, I recall a couple of seasons ago when Charlton held them to
a 0-0 draw in the Carling Cup (?) at Stamford Bridge, beat them on penalties and Mourinho tried to make out to the media afterwards that
Chelski hadn't been beaten because penalty shoot-outs don't really count! Yeah, right.

I agree Jose has been a breath of fresh air in the English game, but over the past couple of seasons he's adopted an attitude of he's always
right and everybody else is either wrong or don't know what they are talking about. Have you EVER heard Mourinho admit his side has been
beaten by a better team, because I certainly can't. Bit like Warnock really...!

At least Fergie has always encouraged youngsters through into his first team squad (remember Wes Brown playing against us in the Prem home game
when he was just 17?) - Mourinho has had the advantage of being able to spend millions on building a team, so it's hardly unexpected that he's
successful in terms of titles/cups etc., Can you name me one locally produced player in the Chelski first team squad - John Terry excepted?

 

But Mourinho is probably one of the most succesful, younger managers on the scene...

He has plenty of time to emulate Fergie's achievements - Fergie's got twenty years on him, in those twenty years Mourinho could well become one of the greatest managers of all time. I'm not saying he will but liking Moan Ushited solely based on Fergie's stature seems a bit odd - him and Mourinho appear to be different sides of the same coin.

 

Arnsen is in charge of youth development at chelsea, his right hand man has been given the chop due to jose complaining about the lack of youth development

 

Again, all fair points...

But Mourinho claiming penalty shoot-outs don't count is no different to Man Utd insisting the Charity Shield isn't a competitive game (so as to preserve an unbeaten record, I think) when every other club insists it is. What about them swanning off to Brazil (?) for that club tournament and dropping out of the FA Cup? Had it been up to me they'd never play in the competition again.

Of course, all their lovely, sporting fans claimed anyone who won it would only do so 'cos they weren't playing in it...

Don't get me wrong - I'm not that keen on Chelsea but both the club and Mourinho are playing the game to the rules Moan Ushited laid down in the nineties - money and mardiness. My point is, if you can criticise one for it, why not the other?

 

I agree on the penalty shoot out thing

If you are talking about an unbeaten record etc

 

RE: Again, all fair points...

They didn't want to go to Brazil, the FA insisted they did because they were bidding for the 2006 World Cup

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah - I've heard that one before...

Didn't believe it at the time, don't believe it now. I'll guarantee you had they come back winners they wouldn't have been whining they'd been forced...

 

RE: Yeah, yeah, yeah - I've heard that one before...

Yes but to claim that they dropped out of the FA Cup and "swanned" off is rather misleading.

Fergie and co didn't want to drop out of the FA Cup, but because of the timetable it was the only thing the FA could do without delaying 2 rounds of the cup.

 

RE: Yeah, yeah, yeah - I've heard that one before...

Fair enuff, but to claim they were "forced" is just as misleading...

 

RE: Yeah, yeah, yeah - I've heard that one before...

why did they not play a reserve team in the FA Cup that year? They do it every year in the Old League Cup, they are not alone in that, but they chose not to.

 

Yes - agreed Ketilbert.

I'm no lover of either ManUre or Chelski - as you rightly point out both have used money to buy success, although at least Fergie develops local
talent into first team players, a facet Mourinho appears unable or unwilling to do.

I don't particularly like Fergie or Jose either - but I do admire what the former has achieved in his football career so far, whereas Jose seems to me
to be largely unrealistic in what he says to the media. I admit his ego is probably responsible for much of that, and I suspect it will be that ego
which will bring him down eventually - you can't live in fantasy land forever.

Personally, I reckon in terms of longevity and success ManUre will outlast Chelski simply because if/when Abramovich walks away with his money,
then the Stamford Bridge lot will revert to has-beens. ManUre have a pedigree and history that Chelsea can only dream about at this point in time.

Having said all that - I'd LOVE to see the Sooper-Reds at Wembley thrashing the pants off either Chelski or ManUre! One can but dream......

 

Amen to that mate! nt

 

RE: Yes - agreed Ketilbert.

Man Utd didnt win the title for God knows how long, they were the club that lived in the past and spent millions trying to regain their former glories. Fergie did produce a good home grown side and since then , they have spent lots of money , as much as Chelsea,the side playing today cost probably more than Chelsea`s.
So to the people that think that Chelsea are the team buying their sucess, check out the Old Trafford side too

 

Hasn't Manure

lost their last 4 pen shootouts..

(pint)