Chelsea rumoured to be in for John Stones

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  1. JamDrop

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    I know nothing about how much he is worth these days but is he likely to be sold for a profit (and did Everton have a sell on clause when they sold to Man City)?
     
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    He needs to move to get game time - think Lampard will bring best out of him
     
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    Purely from an England point of view, I wish he'd go to Man Utd and play alongside Maguire for a season.
    Irrespective of the rather bizarre trend on social media of trying to bring down either / both players, I believe that they are the best pairing at the back. A season together would do wonders for England's chances in the Euros.

    Can't see it happening, sadly.
     
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    The rumour is about £30million, so that would mean nothing for us.
     
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    Why ?
     
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    I think it depends on whether Everton have a sell on, right? If they have a regular sell on fee (not a % of profit, but a % of the sale) then we'll get our percentage of that

    Assuming we had a percentage of the profit made by Everton
     
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    We get 15% of any profit Everton makes but yes, I didn't realise that Everton may just have had a % of sale sell on (if they had one at all).
     
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    Because we only receive anything on any profit Man City make. We don't get a cut of every single transfer for life. So when the £60m/£70m rumours to Barcelona were circulating we were going to be quids in!
     
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    This would be a great move for Stones.

    He deserves to be playing regular football for a top six side and should be doing everything he can to make a move like that happen, over dropping to Leeds United's level like was being mooted in the past.
     
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    Profits Everton make not Man City
     
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    Needs to go to a team that play with a back 3 IMO ( so Chelsea should suit him well). With him being good on the ball and liking to step out of the defence and play a pass his style seems to suit a back 3 better. Was superb for England in the last WC when we played that back 3 with him Maguire and Walker.
     
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    Both, probably
     
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    No just Everton .
    We receive nothing from city they pay Everton we get it from them .
    If Man City have a sell on that goes to them then a per cent may go to Everton and a per cent of that to us .
    We only collect from Everton
     
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    Yeah. I think we agree
     
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    indirectly we do but I took the post as we collected from both clubs which we don’t .
     
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    I've always worked on the assumption that our sell on fee was built in and passed on. Otherwise what if Everton didn't agree a sell on clause? Then we wouldn't be entitled to anything?

    Intrigued on this as I've been thinking it out all wrong over the years potentially.
     
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    No we can only claim on the profits made by Everton From any sale of JS.
    So if Everton have agreed a sell on with Man City a % of that comes to us and if Chelsea sell him to Real Madrid for a profit a per cent goes to Man City then a per cent of that goes to Everton and a per cent of that goes to us .
    So in essence any profit whatsoever Everton make on JS a per cent of that profit goes to us
     
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    This all assumes Everton inserted a sell on.

    That isn’t necessarily that likely, City offered a lot up front.
     
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    That's why I asked the question in my OP. I do think that the amount of money they received may have meant that they didn't but I also seem to remember Everton fans saying at the time that they also had a 15% sell on.
     
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    Yep this is what I was saying. Obviously I didn't word it well.

    I was also saying though that it depends on what type of clause it is - they're usually now a percentage of the profit made, but they can sometimes be a percentage of next sale (total, not profit). Who knows what clauses Everton have, if any, but there could be a fee for Everton and therefore us if it was just a percentage of the next sale (not profit).

    I personally don't think Everton would have a clause like that because of the size of the £50m fee
     
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