Chris Ramsey's At It Now

If he does get sacked by QPR he will find it difficult to get work because he is black.

I wish I could get a job in the Premiership while having precisely zero on my managerial CV.

 

Is he aware that he's got a job whilst currently being black? However, I've just read through this report https://uk.news.yahoo.com/qpr-boss-ramsey-says-race-could-affect-future-202305970--sow.html#EeTElb6 and it sounds like he was asked a lot of questions to try and prompt him to say something along that line.

 

Just stating the facts presumably. Don't see what's wrong with that except that people don't want to face uncomfortable truths.

 

With the truth being that he was given a Premier League managers job without any previous club management experience whilst also being black?

 

Have qpr won a game under his stewardship?

 

The truth being that clearly statistically the number of managers from black & ethic minorities do not reflect the amount of those engaged in playing the game so this either reflects a statistical anomaly which is very rare or demonstrates a form of glass ceiling.

 

One swallow a summer does not make.

 

Maybe so, but I'd genuinely be interested to see what the proportion is of black ex-players that currently hold the necessary UEFA coaching badges vs white ex-players - as that's the true statistic that counts in this instance. You seem pretty clued up on the subject so maybe you could answer the question?

Also, who do you think actively applies this alleged glass ceiling? The chairmen? The directors of football? The CEOs?

 

Indeed, but being black didn't prevent him from getting a Premier League job without ever having managed a club side previously, thus making his point somewhat ridiculous in his case.

 

Perhaps, unless of course many black players have been put off from gaining them if they feel that they have less chance of obtaining a job than a white man.

 

Don't seem to be many black refs either, or many ex players of any race as refs for that matter.

Whats that all about? Probably havent done the reffing badges.

 

I wish you wouldn't post ***** on things you know **** all about.

 

So the alternative is to not to bother and then blame racism?

It's a big leap to suggest that a football chairman would forsake success with a talented black manager purely because they don't want a black man in charge. I find it hard to believe considering the likes of Marlon King was given a job back as a player after doing time because Birmingham though he could bring them success.

Most football clubs would sell their own mothers for success.

 

Of course not, I was mainly playing Devil's Advocate. It's good to consider all barriers in order to remove them.

 

I did some research for the FA a bit ago I will drag it out when I get home.

As for the glass ceiling there's no simple answer. I'd say it's more about homogeneity and outdated belief systems such as Dave Whelan's than outright prejudice. Those who run football whether at the FA, the Premiershit, the Football league or at management level within clubs tend to be from both a narrow ethnic and social background and it's human nature to surround ourselves with those that are similar to us on a deeply unconscious level that is both ingrained and difficult to tackle. I can't say I know what the answer is. I'm not particularly in favour of the Rooney Rule unless it relates to me never having to hear that a Wayne is a world class player again.

 

My view is that black coaches and managers are under represented in English football but that there may be more to it than pure and simple racism. I think it's a bit rich coming from Chris Ramsey though who seems to have done quite well as a coach/manager, at least certainly in terms of the level he's operated at, but naturally he has the right to speak out for others on the matter should he choose to.

As Barnsley is a fairly narrow social landscape and as Barnsley FC do not have any black coaches currently, does any one on here think that racism is at play within our club? I don't by the way.

 

I take the point about Ramsey but wasn't he talking about him being the only black manager rather than his own situation. I guess it's hard not to become a spokesperson when you are the only one.

Racism within our club. On a conscious level I'd say absolutely not. Are we more likely to choose candidates that are 'similar' to those doing the choosing I'd say absolutely yes.

 

With that in mind, do you think a black owner would be more likely to choose a black candidate over a white candidate? It's hypothetical I know.

 

The nearest I can look at is someone like Cellini at Leeds. I suspect if he continues to be owner then to follow the Italian players another Italian manager is almost inevitable. Will that be because they are the best manager available or because he wants people like him around I'm guessing it's the latter truthfully.

 

So in reality it's the human condition that's at play rather than fundamental racism?

I'm asking because you seem to have a level of insight on the subject that I don't possess and I enjoy the process of understanding new perspectives.