Coaching badges.... Are they a good thing for the paying customer?

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  1. rot

    rothred Active Member

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    All it seems to do is churn out Identikit coaches who subsequently turn out identikit teams. Personally I think all this "cerebral" football where coaches set up a team to match the opposition, play well in patches, keep posession and win by fine margines is killing the game off for the average spectator and I dont think barnsley fans are the only ones suffering from this at the moment.
     
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    I would agree with that.

    Coupled with Identiket players, all who have had any sense of proper football coached out of them, all of whom are 6ft, same weight, 100 metres in 11.5 seconds clones of each other. As long as they can do a beep test consistently over the course of a season they are deemed good players.
     
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    I wonder how many Brian Clough had?!?
     
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    Had the same thought myself.
     
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    or Bill Shankly or Bob Paisley or Alex Ferguson if all the managers / coaches are reading from the same script with no room for innovation or even just keeping it simple then football will bore it's supporters to point were they find alternative entertainment. God what I'd give for Brian Clough to come back from the grave and walk into Oakwell and throw Johnson and his fifa licence out of the door along with his gimmicks like the ****ing Drone. Sadly he can't, if only his son Nigel would remember what made his dad great and use the same philosophy he'd do but sadly he's just another fifa clone bore specialist.
     
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    We were on about this before the game. The likes of Clough, Shankley, Paisley, Ferguson and many others did OK without them. I wonder what Mr Clough would have thought of the LJ 'bomb alley' presentation. I'd have paid to watch his reaction.
     
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    the phrase that's utter ******** young man springs to mind
     
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    What makes me laugh is that now certain levels of management coaching etc need certain levels of quals eg FIFA EUFA etc. If that's the industry mark then fair do's.

    But the folk then who give these blowks jobs haven't laiked 1 min of pro football between them let alone achieved a coaching badge!
     
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    Chortle
     
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    This quote from Sir Norman of Hunter sums it up for me.

    And yes, I include Norman in the list of great managers who performed without the constraints of UEFA badges - Paisley, Clough, Shankley etc.

    Taken from my favourite EVER video in the interweb (Yes, I am that sad). At 2:24 of this video, as the credits roll, there is an audio clip of Sir Norman after the Liverpool match.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-VnWv-uKso

    "Why not, why not have a try? People say you don't really believe that you could have got a draw at Anfield, but why not? I believe you that can go out and you can have a go and beat anybody, because what's the point in playing if you don't think you can do that!"
     
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    Fully agree. Especially at our level so many coaches/managers are trying to achieve with players who aren't good enough and where they might be don't take enough risks.

    I'm convinced that all this pseudo-science around the game (not fitness and nutrition) is part of a response to the sums of money they now get paid - they've git to appear educated to justify it.
     
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    Personally, I'd prefer someone managing our team who is qualified over someone who isn't. If they're a good coach, just get the qualifications so they can do the job. It doesn't prevent them from bringing in their own style of play and their own ideas, but it does give them a solid foundation in the basics,whether they choose to incorporate that in to their training regime or not.
     

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